solid black, single stage or base/clear
Safety Car
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I believe all of the last batch of black ss SPI is already sold. There is a guy on his board that is selling some black ss called Black Ice. I'm looking into this.
http://spi.forumup.org/viewtopic.php?t=2030&mforum=spi
http://spi.forumup.org/viewtopic.php?t=2287&mforum=spi
Drifting
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barry may bring back the black sometime in the future but right now he is working with his clears and primers. spi has just moved to a new location and will be doing their own shipping from now on as bakers is closing their doors. the black ice is most likely what i will use on my next one. if not i'll use ppg concept black.
Safety Car
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barry may bring back the black sometime in the future but right now he is working with his clears and primers. spi has just moved to a new location and will be doing their own shipping from now on as bakers is closing their doors. the black ice is most likely what i will use on my next one. if not i'll use ppg concept black.
Oh, and it seems you like just using the SPI epoxy as a primer for Corvettes? Nothing else?
Corvette SMC plastic stripped and sanded --> then SPI epoxy --> then ss black? No sealers? No high build or 2k primers? And no clear after the ss black?
Safety Car
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I guess if I only went with SPI Epoxy as the only primer with no high build, then I'll just have to hope the shop gets the Epoxy nice and smooth with no sand lines before they hit it with ss. That is if I do ss. I'm still looking into the Black Ice. It is $200 for a 1.5 sprayable gallon and comes with instructions. I also believe it doesn't need to be reduced, just add a hardner. I think that would give the shop less things to screw up.
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Drifting
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last time someone used my system the painter was forced by his dumbass boss to pile 5 coats on at once. after the car was painted and buffed it cured and had many areas come back and show. you MUST give epoxy time to cure just like epoxy resin in repairs. unless they can do this let them use high build .
i use spi epoxy , ppg concept color , spi universal clear . the 57 vette i'm doing was cleared in dec , not buffed until march . it polished like lacquer and had 0 dieback or shrinkage . with spi there is no rebuff in 90 days
i dont know it all but i know a little and will gladly help anyone in need. my advise is priced right
i use spi epoxy , ppg concept color , spi universal clear . the 57 vette i'm doing was cleared in dec , not buffed until march . it polished like lacquer and had 0 dieback or shrinkage . with spi there is no rebuff in 90 days
i dont know it all but i know a little and will gladly help anyone in need. my advise is priced right
Burning Brakes
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last time someone used my system the painter was forced by his dumbass boss to pile 5 coats on at once. after the car was painted and buffed it cured and had many areas come back and show. you MUST give epoxy time to cure just like epoxy resin in repairs. unless they can do this let them use high build .
i use spi epoxy , ppg concept color , spi universal clear . the 57 vette i'm doing was cleared in dec , not buffed until march . it polished like lacquer and had 0 dieback or shrinkage . with spi there is no rebuff in 90 days
i dont know it all but i know a little and will gladly help anyone in need. my advise is priced right
i use spi epoxy , ppg concept color , spi universal clear . the 57 vette i'm doing was cleared in dec , not buffed until march . it polished like lacquer and had 0 dieback or shrinkage . with spi there is no rebuff in 90 days
i dont know it all but i know a little and will gladly help anyone in need. my advise is priced right
If so, with what grit?
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Safety Car
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If I have the shop use High Build. Would I just skip using the Epoxy? Glass --> HB --> ss black
And which SPI High Build? I'm thinking it might be better at going with high build since the shop will be stripping it and sanding on the glass. That way if they don't get it nice and flat, then the high build will help cover up the sanding marks.
Burning Brakes
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Ok. What do you do when you are spraying ss with no clear coat on top? Like with SPI ss black?
If I have the shop use High Build. Would I just skip using the Epoxy? Glass --> HB --> ss black
And which SPI High Build? I'm thinking it might be better at going with high build since the shop will be stripping it and sanding on the glass. That way if they don't get it nice and flat, then the high build will help cover up the sanding marks.
If I have the shop use High Build. Would I just skip using the Epoxy? Glass --> HB --> ss black
And which SPI High Build? I'm thinking it might be better at going with high build since the shop will be stripping it and sanding on the glass. That way if they don't get it nice and flat, then the high build will help cover up the sanding marks.
For the rest of the questions, I would contact Barry at SPI since you are going to use his products. He will not have you skip the epoxy. Also, Barry has done a lot of Corvette and fiberglass work so his advice will be good. The real key to a good priming and prep job is the blocking technique.
Safety Car
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With ss if you can spray it really pretty flat then do nothing, you are done. If there is some orange peel, you can color sand and buff.
For the rest of the questions, I would contact Barry at SPI since you are going to use his products. He will not have you skip the epoxy. Also, Barry has done a lot of Corvette and fiberglass work so his advice will be good. The real key to a good priming and prep job is the blocking technique.
For the rest of the questions, I would contact Barry at SPI since you are going to use his products. He will not have you skip the epoxy. Also, Barry has done a lot of Corvette and fiberglass work so his advice will be good. The real key to a good priming and prep job is the blocking technique.
Drifting
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the SPI epoxy is great stuff (get it in black for black top coat so rock chips do not show in the future) seal the car with epoxy and if you do not need it don't use the HB (but epoxy is a lot tuffer to sand in the place of HB). if you can find a SS black that you like the color of I would recomend using it (the CC in bc/cc paint tends to turn white when scuffed and detracts from the finnish later on)More Than Zero
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the SPI epoxy is great stuff (get it in black for black top coat so rock chips do not show in the future) seal the car with epoxy and if you do not need it don't use the HB (but epoxy is a lot tuffer to sand in the place of HB). if you can find a SS black that you like the color of I would recomend using it (the CC in bc/cc paint tends to turn white when scuffed and detracts from the finnish later on)More Than Zero
It was recommended to seal the car with SPI Epoxy, then do regular 2k, NOT HB. So, regular 2k vs. HB?? And would you spray the SS on the 2k?
Though, I do like the idea of: Stripped body --> SPI Epoxy --> Black SS. Less stuff to screw up. Though, it will be painted at a tech school. So, I'm wondering if they could get the Epoxy smooth enough to not need 2k.
Drifting
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if they cant spray the epoxy they will never get the ss right. epoxy only is just what i prefer. it is epoxy primer after all. if sanded next day it is fine. after several days it cures and gets harder , which i prefer when sanding. epoxy should be used for sealer before paint. when your car was new there was no primer on it to speak of . just sealer.
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if they cant spray the epoxy they will never get the ss right. epoxy only is just what i prefer. it is epoxy primer after all. if sanded next day it is fine. after several days it cures and gets harder , which i prefer when sanding. epoxy should be used for sealer before paint. when your car was new there was no primer on it to speak of . just sealer.
And you're saying if I have them spray 2k over the Epoxy, then they'd need to spray another coat of Epoxy on top of the 2k to seal it? What about just using the SPI 2k sealer instead of the Epoxy?
Others have recommended just spraying the ss on top of the 2k. Though, I'd say it would help the paint to stick by putting a sealer on top of the 2k as you say.
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Drifting
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i paint over epoxy . nothing else . i dont use 2k so i have no idea. i've not seen a 2k primer that did not shrink some and die down taking my top coat with it. but this is just the way i have chosen to do it. not saying anyone is wrong .
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I'm gonna talk to the shop teacher to see if he thinks they can spray Epoxy, get it straight, and spray SS black over it. I do like the fact that if I later get cracks, then they would be black cracks instead of white cracks like what I've got going on now.
I'm thinking just having to spray two products would be easier for them to do than spraying Epoxy, then 2k, then more epoxy, then ss. Less chances of them screwing something up.
Just wondering, how come you spray Universal Clear over ss? Do you just do that on certain colors or all including black?
Drifting
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i never clear over black. reds and a few others will change color on you when you sand the top coat. i use ss for color because i dont like base/cc . just personal preference . there is nothing wrong with using primer. i just prefer epoxy over 2k . i can tell you now that trying to tell a painter how you want it done is a losing battle in most cases. might be best to just let him do it his way. if he's using 2nd line paint i would not expect much from him.