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From: Living the Taxation Dream Indiana
Originally Posted by baitbuster
Thanks for all the responses, I have alot to consider. I might think about A&A SC set up at low boost just the way the engine sits, I,'ll let
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you know.
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From: Port Orange fl
Originally Posted by RyanZ06
Haha, you're right, his LPE engine will last longer than my factor built LS6 that makes 50 more rwhp w/ only a cam and headers? 
Take that 383 back to LPE and tell them you want an LS6 long block so you can atleast make bolt on Z06 power..
Take that 383 back to LPE and tell them you want an LS6 long block so you can atleast make bolt on Z06 power..
It's nice to know that I can add nos, SC or turbo and it will hold together. The best thing it runs so smooth. No valve train noise, shake, surges, no hint whats under the hood.
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From: Austin Tx
Originally Posted by baitbuster
It's nice to know that I can add nos, SC or turbo and it will hold together. The best thing it runs so smooth. No valve train noise, shake, surges, no hint whats under the hood.
Thats very easy considering you're making only bolt ons power! What are you scared of cam lope for? I guess I will never understand what drives LPE customers to purchase extremely high priced engine packages that dont deliver any power. If you wanted a perfect running smooth LS1 that makes under 400 to the wheels, just bolt on a set of headers and an intake. Dont have a forged 383 installed! What ever floats your boat!
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From: Port Orange fl
Originally Posted by RyanZ06
Thats very easy considering you're making only bolt ons power! What are you scared of cam lope for? I guess I will never understand what drives LPE customers to purchase extremely high priced engine packages that dont deliver any power. If you wanted a perfect running smooth LS1 that makes under 400 to the wheels, just bolt on a set of headers and an intake. Dont have a forged 383 installed! What ever floats your boat!
It's not a question of being scared of a little cam lope. I just enjoy the way the car feels and sounds. I'm probably going to go with A&A procharger kit with low boost. That way I will have great low end with 10:7 cr and great mid to upper rpm power. And still drive like stock with over 500 to the wheels.
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From: Living the Taxation Dream Indiana
Originally Posted by baitbuster
It's not a question of being scared of a little cam lope. I just enjoy the way the car feels and sounds. I'm probably going to go with A&A procharger kit with low boost. That way I will have great low end with 10:7 cr and great mid to upper rpm power. And still drive like stock with over 500 to the wheels.
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From: Texas
Originally Posted by baitbuster
It's not a question of being scared of a little cam lope. I just enjoy the way the car feels and sounds. I'm probably going to go with A&A procharger kit with low boost. That way I will have great low end with 10:7 cr and great mid to upper rpm power. And still drive like stock with over 500 to the wheels.
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Originally Posted by RyanZ06
Thats very easy considering you're making only bolt ons power! What are you scared of cam lope for? I guess I will never understand what drives LPE customers to purchase extremely high priced engine packages that dont deliver any power. If you wanted a perfect running smooth LS1 that makes under 400 to the wheels, just bolt on a set of headers and an intake. Dont have a forged 383 installed! What ever floats your boat!
Do you think its Rocket science to install a larger cam in a engine package and that LPE really doesn't know about how to make more power by going with a big cam or cutting cats off?
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From: Woodbridge Ontario
Originally Posted by 21STCENTURYMUSCLECAR
Ever heard of power under the curve?
Do you think its Rocket science to install a larger cam in a engine package and that LPE really doesn't know about how to make more power by going with a big cam or cutting cats off?
Do you think its Rocket science to install a larger cam in a engine package and that LPE really doesn't know about how to make more power by going with a big cam or cutting cats off?
They don't want to hurt their 427ci package.
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Originally Posted by 21STCENTURYMUSCLECAR
Ever heard of power under the curve?
Do you think its Rocket science to install a larger cam in a engine package and that LPE really doesn't know about how to make more power by going with a big cam or cutting cats off?
Do you think its Rocket science to install a larger cam in a engine package and that LPE really doesn't know about how to make more power by going with a big cam or cutting cats off?
There are such huge variances in what people consider "streetable", you're going to always have the nay-sayers chiming in. But the reality is, LPE is offering a warrantied ultra streetable package for those that are more "refined" in nature. Nothing wrong with that.
I had more than ample opportunity to throw a HUGE cam in my setup; I chose not to. I've found the slightly more "civilized" lift and duration cams really do provide more low end tq for daily driving and street stomping. If my car was an all out track car that saw 5000+rpms 99.999% of the time, I would have gone huge on the specs. But it's not. I don't care so much what happening at 5800-6400rpms as I do at 3200-4800 rpms.
There is a distinct penalty for wanting to win the dyno sheet contest. You ultimately lose the street war IMO.
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From: Addison TX
Originally Posted by tlaselva
Well, LPE doesn't want to make their 383's too powerful.
They don't want to hurt their 427ci package.
They don't want to hurt their 427ci package.
LPE also has the record for the Normally Aspirated Viper @9.8s @ 142 thu 6 speed making 825+ Horsepower on a real street car with IRS.
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From: Port Orange fl
Originally Posted by BLU-BY-U
There are such huge variances in what people consider "streetable", you're going to always have the nay-sayers chiming in. But the reality is, LPE is offering a warrantied ultra streetable package for those that are more "refined" in nature. Nothing wrong with that.
I had more than ample opportunity to throw a HUGE cam in my setup; I chose not to. I've found the slightly more "civilized" lift and duration cams really do provide more low end tq for daily driving and street stomping. If my car was an all out track car that saw 5000+rpms 99.999% of the time, I would have gone huge on the specs. But it's not. I don't care so much what happening at 5800-6400rpms as I do at 3200-4800 rpms.
There is a distinct penalty for wanting to win the dyno sheet contest. You ultimately lose the street war IMO.
I agree with the smaller cam for the street, I had a A4 01 216/220 cam with 12:1 CR, which people said baby cam. Cars would pull up to me with cars that souded like they were going to eat my car. I was waiting for them at the next light. At the track they probably catch me, on the street I'll take the baby cam. This LPE 383 is quicker than my 01
with no valve train noise, surges, or high idle.
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From: Country Boys Can Survive.
Originally Posted by vettethret
Not talking trash but I have 400 rwhp on a bolt one Z, so I would not be happy at all with those numbers. I know LPE's name is spotless, but for the amount of money their packages run outside of the twin turbos, they are very low. A new cam and headers would make a HUGE improvement. How much shake are you willing to put up with?
BTW, in my post you quoted, I said I knew WHY he went with that LPE package. I believe it was for street driveability, especially with an a4. He could do a bigger cam, anyone can do that!
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Originally Posted by loudsam
He already has better torque than you do in an a4 with 3.42 gears and a tc. Plus, he doesn't even have headers. He's all set with the internals for supercharging. Your comparison makes NO sense. Of course he could stick a big cam in it, but, he'd be better off knowing if he's going to go FI or not first. LPE is IMHO the best at making streetable power. Making huge peak rpm power wasn't their object with that package. BTW, in my post you quoted, I said I knew WHY he went with that LPE package. I believe it was for street driveability, especially with an a4. He could do a bigger cam, anyone can do that!
BTW, in my post you quoted, I said I knew WHY he went with that LPE package. I believe it was for street driveability, especially with an a4. He could do a bigger cam, anyone can do that! Ed
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Originally Posted by loudsam
He already has better torque than you do in an a4 with 3.42 gears and a tc. Plus, he doesn't even have headers. He's all set with the internals for supercharging. Your comparison makes NO sense. Of course he could stick a big cam in it, but, he'd be better off knowing if he's going to go FI or not first. LPE is IMHO the best at making streetable power. Making huge peak rpm power wasn't their object with that package. BTW, in my post you quoted, I said I knew WHY he went with that LPE package. I believe it was for street driveability, especially with an a4. He could do a bigger cam, anyone can do that!
BTW, in my post you quoted, I said I knew WHY he went with that LPE package. I believe it was for street driveability, especially with an a4. He could do a bigger cam, anyone can do that!
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From: Port Orange fl
Originally Posted by vettethret
A4 or not, the numbers are low. For a 383 to have the same torque as a 3 bolt on Z is low. He asked about the driveablity of a bigger cam. I said even though it was a stick WHICH I KNOW is a little different as far as idle goes, I said I had ridden in a G5X3 car and it was VERY streetable. Then I said to give Andy a call since he is conservative as far as daily drivers go and could point him in the right direction!
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From: Country Boys Can Survive.
Originally Posted by baitbuster
I just took a ride in a 02 coupe A4 full exhaust with a bigger cam on a 113, dynoed 20rwh more but 18 less torque. The car idles at 900rpms and it had a little chop and some shake. It was driveable and streetable. It pulled great after 3500 and he loved it. That was great for him, my car would crush it from a light. From a roll it would be alot closer. That is the difference, my car idles at 700rpms, quiet and still has alot of power under the curve. 1/4 to 1/2 throttle it pull great in your normal driving. I don't want to give that up, since I have a LPE built bottom end, and after talking to Andy I decided to go with Andy's SC kit with 6-7 pounds of boost. Should be able to keep the same cam and exhaust and still have over 500 at the wheels, with a safe tune.
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From: Monticello MN
Originally Posted by loudsam
I like the way your thinking now! Cause, I can tell by the things you've said that street driveability is important to you. I think your plan is sound considering what you want from the car. If I ever blow out my engine, I would consider something very similiar. In my case, I wanted a little more power, and torque for those "rare moments" when it would be impressive. Drag racing is not on my agenda. But, performance is!!! Your going to have a great engine, and I envy you!
BTW, Doug, this winter I'll be putting in 3.42s, a Protorque 2400-2600, Lingenfelter ported throttle body and a lttle lower thermostat. Then I should be done with drivetrain mods, unless the transmission lets loose at some point. I drove a very similar C5 with 3.42s and this converter and loved it. Take care!
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Originally Posted by C5XTASY
BTW, Doug, this winter I'll be putting in 3.42s, a Protorque 2400-2600, Lingenfelter ported throttle body and a lttle lower thermostat. Then I should be done with drivetrain mods, unless the transmission lets loose at some point. I drove a very similar C5 with 3.42s and this converter and loved it. Take care!
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From: Monticello MN
Originally Posted by loudsam
Sounds like a "plan" Ed! I've been wondering about the 3.42gear for mine also. Your's is 3.15 now isn't it? You'll love the higher stall converter. It will certainly get you in the rpm "range" alot faster, which is alot of fun with a cammed car! By the way, (not to steal a thread), but, how far are you from Superior, WI or Duluth, MN???
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Doug, I'm about 180 miles away. I also had ridden in a Z28 with a 3500 converter, and didn't like it. Way too loose for my taste. The 3.42s, and Protorque 2400-2600, in a 2001 C5 with similar power, seemed perfect to me. Under normal driving, the combination felt very tight, like stock, until it was jumped on, then...BAM! His cam was larger than mine, but peak power was very similar. I probably have a stronger low end than that car did. Can't wait!
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From: Port Orange fl
Originally Posted by C5XTASY
Doug, I'm about 180 miles away. I also had ridden in a Z28 with a 3500 converter, and didn't like it. Way too loose for my taste. The 3.42s, and Protorque 2400-2600, in a 2001 C5 with similar power, seemed perfect to me. Under normal driving, the combination felt very tight, like stock, until it was jumped on, then...BAM! His cam was larger than mine, but peak power was very similar. I probably have a stronger low end than that car did. Can't wait!
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