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I know one thing the wing makes a statement. Love it or hate it. I saw an ACR Viper about a 1/2 a mile back in my rear view mirror. Not sure what it was until it got up on me but knew it wasn't a run of the mill sports car.
Some of these anti spoiler posts are so cringy. If you don't like the spoiler take it off. You won't see people complaining about the GT3s spoiler on Porsche forums. If you want to wax something buy an r8.
And the spoiler needs to be tall to clear the rear view. A lower spoiler will block rear vision.
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Totally baseless guess from me, but if that spolier is available on a production car, it will be part of an advanced aero or track pack, and not standard. Maybe even removable/swap-able.
And yet somehow the 200 mph Italian and German Supercars don't seem to feel the need for them on their street versions even though their performance is comparable.
Is like to see them offer the car with a subtle spoiler and the big spoiler...maybe no cost options. The big ones do nothing unless you are tracking the car.
Don't many of them have retractable wings? I know the Mclaren does, and when it's fully out, it's pretty big.
The Ford GT is in the same boat.
Corvette can't be as "integrated" as they are going Fixed wing as apposed to active.
Doesn't one of the go fast 911's have a giant fixed rear wing? I bet that's the benchmark. GM loves taking things from the 911 for Corvette.
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Why does everyone believe the large winged car is a ZR1? I think we actually have different vehicles. My guess is large wing is a track to use car maybe L88 option or something like that l, think gt3, acr. And the small wings I believe will become the ZR1. I'd really like them to use an active wing if I had a choice.
Is like to see them offer the car with a subtle spoiler and the big spoiler....
Agreed.
One for track rats and one for the street.
NOT every buyer will buy a ZR1 for its tracking ability...many will want it simply because of the greater (assuming) power.
Originally Posted by \Boost Monkey/
The ZR1 will be a track focused car as it should be, not a street cruiser. Same goes for the Viper ACR, and i'm betting the ZR1 is aimed right at the ACR. I'm also betting the bulk of clientele buying the ACR could give 2 chits about the looks of the wing versus how much massive downforce it provides them around the fast corners.
There is no reason (from a profit POV) for GM to "aim" at a car that is going out of production.
I doubt they are THAT dumb in the Marketing Division...
Originally Posted by TRANS DAMM
looks awesome.. I'm all over it depending on price. I just don't know how expensive they can go with expectations to sell a decent amount. Unless they only make 350-500 Cars.
Thanx for posting this pic...it brings back a smile to my face.
For those who don't know, this is the photo-finish of the greatest race in Corvette history: the 2016 24 Hours of Daytona.
After crushing the competition on-track, the team turned the cars loose to fight each other over the last laps for the win.
An incredible moment in auto racing.
The wing is necessary for absolute track dominance. They might only sell a handful of them but they will hold the title and sell every one they make at top dollar.
That's the point.
Thee is an ACR in my hood and that thing looks serious that's for sure. But unless you are at the track it's a bit silly.
The rear wings will likely be interchangeable. Just like the rear wicker bills on the Z06/GS. They use the same mounting points. Just swap out to the one you want for street or track.
Why is it wings look silly but 800hp doesn't? Well you don't need it for the street is the reason wings look silly. Yeah well you don't need crazy power, track tunes suspension, low body angle, tire camber, or a million other features for the street. It's a sports car. Increasing performance is the point of its existence (and making a profit).
There is no reason (from a profit POV) for GM to "aim" at a car that is going out of production.
I doubt they are THAT dumb in the Marketing Division...
Has nothing to do with marketing or profit, I was talking about aiming at the track numbers, not marketing/profit numbers. Why would you not make the ACR your track benchmark?
Why is it wings look silly but 800hp doesn't? Well you don't need it for the street is the reason wings look silly. Yeah well you don't need crazy power, track tunes suspension, low body angle, tire camber, or a million other features for the street.
Good point.
Originally Posted by \Boost Monkey/
Has nothing to do with marketing or profit, I was talking about aiming at the track numbers, not marketing/profit numbers.
OK, fair enough.
Why would you not make the ACR your track benchmark?
WHY would they?
The Viper cannot compete with the Vette in the marketplace.
GM is in the Sportscar business, first and foremost, to make a profit.
"Benchmarking" to a car that isn't a viable competitor in the market accomplishes nothing.
Now, if they were using some of the Euro cars as a benchmark that might have an impact on future sales and could possibly be worth investigating.
Why is it wings look silly but 800hp doesn't? Well you don't need it for the street is the reason wings look silly. Yeah well you don't need crazy power, track tunes suspension, low body angle, tire camber, or a million other features for the street. It's a sports car. Increasing performance is the point of its existence (and making a profit).
Simple, 800 hp does not look silly, and 800 hp is only 800 hp when you are using it all. The rest of the time you don't see it looking stupid for all the world to see.
There are some confusing responses to this thread. Those of us who don't like it are simply stating our opinion. Some of you are acting like its some sort of blasphemy to say anything negative about a Corvette on this forum. It's not like we are bringing up "the rear looks like a Camaro" again
WHY would they?
The Viper cannot compete with the Vette in the marketplace.
GM is in the Sportscar business, first and foremost, to make a profit.
"Benchmarking" to a car that isn't a viable competitor in the market accomplishes nothing.
Now, if they were using some of the Euro cars as a benchmark that might have an impact on future sales and could possibly be worth investigating.
Let's be more to the point. Why benchmark against a car that is being discontinued, and in the past took an entire year off due to lack of sales
WHY would they?
The Viper cannot compete with the Vette in the marketplace.
GM is in the Sportscar business, first and foremost, to make a profit.
"Benchmarking" to a car that isn't a viable competitor in the market accomplishes nothing.
Now, if they were using some of the Euro cars as a benchmark that might have an impact on future sales and could possibly be worth investigating.
But you keep falling back to marketing and profit. We are talking performance benchmarks, not marketing.
The ACR is a more viable performance competitor than any other at this point in time, sales figures aside, end of production coming or not. It's clearly the track king at this point in time, and trounces all the Euro competitors numbers... So why performance benchmark a slower car?
You are telling me, they are going to release a new ZR1 without ensuring it can stand up to the current track king, the ACR? I find that hard to believe, whether they market it being benchmarked to the ACR or not. Marketing is a whole other story.
But you keep falling back to marketing and profit. We are talking performance benchmarks, not marketing.
I get that, but my point is benchmarking by Car Manufacturers isn't done for bragging rights...it's done to sell cars.
To build a product that will, hopefully, out-sell the competition.
The ACR is a more viable performance competitor than any other at this point in time, sales figures aside, end of production coming or not. It's clearly the track king at this point in time, and trounces all the Euro competitors numbers... So why performance benchmark a slower car?
Because it ISN'T a Corvette competitor...sheesh.
The 911, the F-type Jag, and others are its competitors.
You are telling me, they are going to release a new ZR1 without ensuring it can stand up to the current track king, the ACR? I find that hard to believe, whether they market it being benchmarked to the ACR or not. Marketing is a whole other story.
Sorry, but I'm running out of ways to say this...lemme try again here. This isn't a football game where a points total wins the day. The only "points" relevant in the car biz is the one that measures profit.
But you keep falling back to marketing and profit. We are talking performance benchmarks, not marketing.
The ACR is a more viable performance competitor than any other at this point in time, sales figures aside, end of production coming or not. It's clearly the track king at this point in time, and trounces all the Euro competitors numbers... So why performance benchmark a slower car?
You are telling me, they are going to release a new ZR1 without ensuring it can stand up to the current track king, the ACR? I find that hard to believe, whether they market it being benchmarked to the ACR or not. Marketing is a whole other story.
i agree, if your going to build a track oriented car why wouldn't you be benchmarking the top car! You know what sells a lot of cars, numbers! How many buyers could you get from Porsche, nismo, viper owners ect, if you build a fantastic track car. If it post track records and MT, C&D love it, other buyers well come. I think GM's goal is to get other potential customers with this car.
I get that, but my point is benchmarking by Car Manufacturers isn't done for bragging rights...it's done to sell cars.
To build a product that will, hopefully, out-sell the competition.
Because it ISN'T a Corvette competitor...sheesh.
The 911, the F-type Jag, and others are its competitors.
Look man, i've seen and read all of the "the viper isn't a competitor to the Corvette purely based on and because of sales numbers and nothing else" argument all over this forum. But like the many who argue against that and every auto journalist and auto publication on planet earth, i consider the Viper a performance competitor as do a plethora of other humans.
The ENTIRE 911 lineup has been far eclipsed, performance wise, by the Z06 alone, nevermind an upcoming ZR1, and last time I checked the F-type doesn't even come close to the Z06, much less a new ZR1, nor is it intended to be a track focused car like the Z06, or an even more track focused car like the ZR1.
Performance benchmarks are performance benchmarks, sales benchmarks are sales benchmarks.
So let's agree to disagree.
Second, yeah, makes total sense, release a halo Vette that's slower than the outgoing ACR and sell cars. Got it.
We will wait and see the numbers, but my gut tells me the most track capable Corvette ever will want to best the most track capable production car ever made.
