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Old Aug 27, 2017 | 12:34 PM
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Look at the manual for the Kenwood decks. That is the best place to compare the features. My fall back position is the 7704s. I once again bid on an Alpine ILX-207. I like the mechless designs. I don't need navigation, that is what google maps on android phones are for. Maybe you only get 5v pre-outs, (carefully selected capacitor, gold plated preout) when moving up to the 9904s from the 9704s. Moving from 9704s to 7704s, you lose the DVD slot, HD radio, and screen.
you Get HD radio with all I listed.. 9704 and 7704 only difference is CD, both have HD radio. There might be a bit better electronics in the 9904s, plus capacitive screen and maybe 5v vs 4v outs.. but I know the HD radio is there in the 7704,
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Originally Posted by -=Jeff=-
e 9904s, plus capacitive screen and maybe 5v vs 4v outs..
this is the nuts and bolts of what makes the 9904s my kenwood choice. that excellent screen and their best pre amp stage
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Old Aug 27, 2017 | 03:48 PM
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9904s is better than the Alpine ILX-207?
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Old Aug 27, 2017 | 03:50 PM
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9904s is better than the Alpine ILX-207?
honestly

never heard either in an actual system. in general alpine makes better sq decks but in truth. i have no idea

i have played with a 9904s and it was a nice improvement over the 9903s.
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I saw an ilx-207 at best buy. I would have to play with the UI a bit more to see if I like it..

BUT, cost is the driving factor to me. If the Sony had a bit more features, then it might be a contender. If I decide I don't need HDtuner, then it opens it back to the Sony and W960..

Rumor is the Sony xav-ax200 will have some features..
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your line of thinking is what took me to the 960

i was like, the EQ is spectacular. slightly better SQ than sony, has nav

sony had auto android but that means i'll have a cable always hanging around

cost was great on either.
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Yeah, I will need to call the guys you mentioned above.
I stopped at another best buy today, they had a better assortment on the board, so I could mess with then units.. The Sony is nice with a basic display

Kenwood I was able to touch was the 9703s, I messed with the DMX7704S already. menus are not bad, I like the fact the Kenwood has an external GPS antenna on their units...

I have not seen a W960 in person just video.. I will look for some more videos

I don't think I will go wrong with any of the units.. I just need to determine what I am will to give up..
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Old Aug 27, 2017 | 11:31 PM
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Yeah, I will need to call the guys you mentioned above.
I stopped at another best buy today, they had a better assortment on the board, so I could mess with then units.. The Sony is nice with a basic display

Kenwood I was able to touch was the 9703s, I messed with the DMX7704S already. menus are not bad, I like the fact the Kenwood has an external GPS antenna on their units...

I have not seen a W960 in person just video.. I will look for some more videos

I don't think I will go wrong with any of the units.. I just need to determine what I am will to give up..
it's pros and cons, sony is nice, alpine is nice, kenwood, if you go that way get the 9904s which is a nice auto android unit and it has the top tier screen and better pre amp
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it's pros and cons, sony is nice, alpine is nice, kenwood, if you go that way get the 9904s which is a nice auto android unit and it has the top tier screen and better pre amp
Thanks.. LOL

UGH!! I know when I had the App Radio, it was sort of annoying to plug the phone in all the time.. So that leads me to the w960.. I dunno
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Thanks.. LOL

UGH!! I know when I had the App Radio, it was sort of annoying to plug the phone in all the time.. So that leads me to the w960.. I dunno
led me there too. wireless music and handsfree calling off your phone. nice audio features. sounds great, moderate cost
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Alright. here is where I am at:

1) INE-W960 I found a non-HDMI for sub $500 new
2) DDX-9904s ( assuming I can get the killer price racebum mentioned)
3) DMX-7704s (I know not as nice, but I can get it here easy)

My plan is to gather my funds and when I have ~$500 I will go to the local shop with cash and see what I can do for unit 1 or 2
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Originally Posted by -=Jeff=-
Alright. here is where I am at:

1) INE-W960 I found a non-HDMI for sub $500 new
2) DDX-9904s ( assuming I can get the killer price racebum mentioned)
3) DMX-7704s (I know not as nice, but I can get it here easy)

My plan is to gather my funds and when I have ~$500 I will go to the local shop with cash and see what I can do for unit 1 or 2
all depends on the shop. some barter. some don't care
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Originally Posted by racebum
all depends on the shop. some barter. some don't care
Yes, The guy that owns this shop used to do it years ago.. I asked a friend and he told me that will do cash deals.. I guess I will wait and see
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I have some additional questions that I should have asked early..

- Which screen of will be better in Direct sunlight? I do drive with the roof off
- Specific to Kenwood, how much improvement is the output stage between the 9904 and 7704?

- Capacitive vs Resistive, which will be better in car, my DD has resistive I believe

Concern on getting the deal vs warranty, granted if I get a deal at an authorized dealer, no issue.

Even though the Sony did not make my final 3, it is #4 and I keep thinking, maybe for my 27 year old car, it will suffice..

I like what the w960 has to offer, I like the price and plain interface of the Sony, I like the HD offering in the Kenwood and would be fine with the 7704s, assuming the output stage is still decent (remember I currently have an android unit)

Kenwood should have made a 7904s, output and screen of the 9904 in the 7704 body
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Old Aug 29, 2017 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by carls2004
Could u tell me why you say,, Noooooooooooooooo... ?... Im just curios.. ill do no harm to your response.. Just want your neg ? of the unit..
Because he was saying he was going to ditch the DSP, which has the greatest chances of unlocking the potential in his set up.
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Originally Posted by -=Jeff=-
I think if I went into the shop with cash I might have a better outcome.. as much as I like having a rear view camera I have been tempted to reinstall my Nak. I also have a directed HDTuner add on I can use..


I need to look at the Aux in on some of these units
Jiminiy Cricket! Jeff...Just put the nak in. WTF!
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Originally Posted by daverulz
Jiminiy Cricket! Jeff...Just put the nak in. WTF!
LOL, yeah leaning that way for now honestly
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Old Aug 29, 2017 | 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by racebum
oh god. those old nak decks were really really good

however. you give up time alignment which is magic for dealing with in car reflections. after getting time alignment right it's hard to imagine going back
He has an external DSP - to me the answer is clear what to do.

Jeff...Did you read that...he said "magic", what have I been telling you! Again, the path is clear to me now forget the fancy stuff and make your system shine with what you have.

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He has an external DSP - to me the answer is clear what to do.

Jeff...Did you read that...he said "magic", what have I been telling you! Again, the path is clear to me now forget the fancy stuff and make your system shine with what you have.

yes I read that.. but that magic will take some time.. Let me get the Nak mounted up and ready to install.. Then it will be a bunch of email to you while I figure it out

Any of you visiting Chicago anytime soon? LOL
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I purchased a INE-W960.. Based off of Racebum's suggestion

Looking forward to testing it out.. then getting it in the car
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