.....If it doesn't sound good they will replace speakers which can run another $1,000 extra.
What to do with dash speakers?
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LSWON, I agree with your stereo shop. My complaint was running aftermarket amp and speakers with the factory amp and speakers still connected. If you only change the head unit and run the stock amp and speakers, you will get a nice bump in sound quality and you may decide that it is enough of an upgrade for you.
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I'd say 1500-2000 budget.
So completely disable stock Bose amp and 3 speakers in the dash and just use 4 speakers?
-Head unit
-6.5" components in the doors
-5.25 in the rears - should I even run rears?
-10" sub
-5 channel amp (four speakers and one sub)?
That sound about right for a good upgrade over stock? Now to figure out what equipment to get :/ That's where I get lost trying to match everything up.
So completely disable stock Bose amp and 3 speakers in the dash and just use 4 speakers?
-Head unit
-6.5" components in the doors
-5.25 in the rears - should I even run rears?
-10" sub
-5 channel amp (four speakers and one sub)?
That sound about right for a good upgrade over stock? Now to figure out what equipment to get :/ That's where I get lost trying to match everything up.
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LSWON, I agree with your stereo shop. My complaint was running aftermarket amp and speakers with the factory amp and speakers still connected. If you only change the head unit and run the stock amp and speakers, you will get a nice bump in sound quality and you may decide that it is enough of an upgrade for you.
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As with the unit I am looking at you get the front and rear camera features for parking. (of course the cameras cost extra to the tune of $130+ each)As for speakers those would add another $1000,000 to the tab.
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Josh, this is the system that I run and is the set up that I recommend to most. There are some very knowledgable guys in car audio and in this forum that can come up with some creative builds that can sound great but are also more complicated to put together and tune correctly. For most guys I recommend keeping it simple, as many of us don't have the knowledge to replicate their systems accurately. Running a 5 channel amp to power front components, rear coaxial speakers, and a sub is an easy way to get a really good sounding system. 3 ways in the front are nice, but correct tweeter placement is important and becomes an issue in a C6, and also your options for how to run and power the 3 ways gets more complicated. At the end of the day, you want a nice clean install that sounds great, but you also don't want to bite off more than you can chew. If you feel confident in your abilities then go for it, but if you have any question marks, I would say the above system you described is a great attainable setup for most guys who don't do this kind of thing often. My only other suggestion is to get a good sub to go along with good speakers. I built a box to hold a JL 10W6v3. In my opinion it sounds great and much better than the shallow JL 10TW3 it replaced.
I talked with Pb82 Ronin in length today and kind of changed my mind on some gear.
What are thoughts on this setup instead?
-Kenwood DDX8706S
-Pac RP5-GM11
-Focal Performance 165AS3 (6.5 and 3.5 in door and tweeter in factory dash location)
-JL Audio XD1000/5v2 - changed to this amp to help support the 2 ohm subs at 300w each
-2x of JL 10W3V3-2 - bridge the component setup and eliminate rear speakers all together
-Subthump downfire box - dual 10"
-Vettenuts premium insulation/sound deadening kit
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You still need the subs to be at 4 ohms each. Two 4 ohms in parallel will give you the load you are looking for to get the most out of that amp.
Two ohms in parallel gives you 1 ohm.. the amp will shut off. In series its 4 ohm and the amp is rated at 400W.
As for the components, the amp will see a 4ohm load and put out 200w x 2, the speakers can only handle 80w rms... they won't play that long and your warranty will be voided.
Two ohms in parallel gives you 1 ohm.. the amp will shut off. In series its 4 ohm and the amp is rated at 400W.
As for the components, the amp will see a 4ohm load and put out 200w x 2, the speakers can only handle 80w rms... they won't play that long and your warranty will be voided.
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You still need the subs to be at 4 ohms each. Two 4 ohms in parallel will give you the load you are looking for to get the most out of that amp.
Two ohms in parallel gives you 1 ohm.. the amp will shut off. In series its 4 ohm and the amp is rated at 400W.
As for the components, the amp will see a 4ohm load and put out 200w x 2, the speakers can only handle 80w rms... they won't play that long and your warranty will be voided.
Two ohms in parallel gives you 1 ohm.. the amp will shut off. In series its 4 ohm and the amp is rated at 400W.
As for the components, the amp will see a 4ohm load and put out 200w x 2, the speakers can only handle 80w rms... they won't play that long and your warranty will be voided.
I've also seen channels bridged to drive speakers over their recommended power levels. I would be concerned if it was playing sine waves or constant frequencies at max gain and volume with a full 14.4V going...but playing music at around 13.2-13.5V and normal gain levels through a passive crossover shouldn't hurt a thing. In fact, I'll bet you a good pair of 6.5's on it.
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Just use a meeter or look at speaker wiring guides. -- I'm assuming these are 2ohm SVC, if they are DVC, then this changes things.
driving a speaker 2x over its rated power handling capacity for long periods of time will burn up the voice coils and void their warranty. I would not recommend more than 120% of rated power.
Power ratings for the amp are right from their website.
Now if the 6.5s are on their own two channels, and the mid/tweet on the other two channels with the passive crossover, they may have a chance of surviving.
driving a speaker 2x over its rated power handling capacity for long periods of time will burn up the voice coils and void their warranty. I would not recommend more than 120% of rated power.
Power ratings for the amp are right from their website.
Now if the 6.5s are on their own two channels, and the mid/tweet on the other two channels with the passive crossover, they may have a chance of surviving.
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Just use a meeter or look at speaker wiring guides. -- I'm assuming these are 2ohm SVC, if they are DVC, then this changes things.
driving a speaker 2x over its rated power handling capacity for long periods of time will burn up the voice coils and void their warranty. I would not recommend more than 120% of rated power.
Power ratings for the amp are right from their website.
Now if the 6.5s are on their own two channels, and the mid/tweet on the other two channels with the passive crossover, they may have a chance of surviving.
driving a speaker 2x over its rated power handling capacity for long periods of time will burn up the voice coils and void their warranty. I would not recommend more than 120% of rated power.
Power ratings for the amp are right from their website.
Now if the 6.5s are on their own two channels, and the mid/tweet on the other two channels with the passive crossover, they may have a chance of surviving.
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On the sub channel? They would be around that if each sub is 4ohm wired in parallel. You will also have to detach the connector from the amp to measure the impedance. No betting necessary
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Not trying to argue with ohm's law, because everything being said thus far is accurate. I may just have a freak on my hands with my truck setup...or maybe a rare mis-boxing of products. I'll find out for sure. Josh, just to be safe, it's not incorrect to buy the 4 ohm versions.
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Josh, not to make you spend more money, but if you are intent on going with 3 way speakers in the front, take a look at the Focal PS 165F3's also. Currently on sale at Crutchfield but they still are pricey at $700.
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_091PS1...-PS-165F3.html
Also, shop around for prices on your gear. I can find the amp you are looking at for $650 or so from other sellers and the Focal 165AS3's you mentioned are on Amazon from a 3rd party seller for $370.
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_091PS1...-PS-165F3.html
Also, shop around for prices on your gear. I can find the amp you are looking at for $650 or so from other sellers and the Focal 165AS3's you mentioned are on Amazon from a 3rd party seller for $370.
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I agree, get the better speakers. Save a little with a different amp? Xd700/5 or even this focal? I have no experience with jl audio digital amps or any focal amps. You can ask me anything about the JL slash amps though...
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Josh, not to make you spend more money, but if you are intent on going with 3 way speakers in the front, take a look at the Focal PS 165F3's also. Currently on sale at Crutchfield but they still are pricey at $700.
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_091PS1...-PS-165F3.html
Also, shop around for prices on your gear. I can find the amp you are looking at for $650 or so from other sellers and the Focal 165AS3's you mentioned are on Amazon from a 3rd party seller for $370.
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_091PS1...-PS-165F3.html
Also, shop around for prices on your gear. I can find the amp you are looking at for $650 or so from other sellers and the Focal 165AS3's you mentioned are on Amazon from a 3rd party seller for $370.
I agree, get the better speakers. Save a little with a different amp? Xd700/5 or even this focal? I have no experience with jl audio digital amps or any focal amps. You can ask me anything about the JL slash amps though...
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I'm hesitant to buy gear from non-authorized retailers because if I ever need to submit a warranty claim, the manufacturer likely won't cover it. I do have a decent hook-up for Focal and JL. I was quoted $370 for the 165AS3 and $680 for the XD1000/5v2 from an authorized retailer. What would the 165F3's do over the AS3?
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I'm hesitant to buy gear from non-authorized retailers because if I ever need to submit a warranty claim, the manufacturer likely won't cover it. I do have a decent hook-up for Focal and JL. I was quoted $370 for the 165AS3 and $680 for the XD1000/5v2 from an authorized retailer. What would the 165F3's do over the AS3?
So I was told the 10W3V3 subs best operate at 300w. I chose that amp to make sure they each received that. Would the XD700/5 still be ok with those subs or would it be too under-powered?
So I was told the 10W3V3 subs best operate at 300w. I chose that amp to make sure they each received that. Would the XD700/5 still be ok with those subs or would it be too under-powered?
I doubt that you would be able to tell the difference between 500W and 600W on the subs. With a meter? maybe... In a large vehicle? maybe. In the small cabin of a corvette, not really.
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That was going to be my next suggestion, to speak to an authorized retailer and mention that you found them online for less. Usually they will price match or give you a better price than they can advertise. As far as the PS 165F3's vs AS3's, I haven't heard either one. Specs are a little better with the F3's and probably the materials too. The F3's are part of what Focal calls its "expert series". Hard to tell how much better they would sound without hearing them side by side. I would probably be tempted to splurge on them but that's just me.
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