TCracingCA

You guys be the judge! The side exhaust were pretty distinct and to mention those is telling!



Ok Investors scurry!

TCracingCA

I guess I am more organized than I thought!

I almost sent away for these back then and should have! This is my role model ideal of an enthusiast. he wasn't treying to sell it, but was looking for fellow enthusiasts!!!

emccomas

Good job.

The Affrica car in your ad is the same phone number that was advertised in Sep / Oct of 1976. The Sep / Oct ads don't say "factory" L-88, just L-88.

This car is not the same car that was at Buxbaum and Douglas in Nov and Dec of 1976. I have a friend that remembers racing against the Buxbaum (he thinks it was that car) in the 70s. He said the car was not a real L-88. It had a later years L-88 in it.

The search continues...

emccomas

OK, got some info on Paul Farris

Paul T Farris lived at 1176 Madera in 1976. Born 28 April 1934. Address in 1996 was 4246 Highland Dr. Carlsbad, CA.

Paul T. Farris died on 11 Oct 1994. Last residence was 92057 Oceanside, San Diego, CA. He was born in Kansas.

He married Alma E. Hanna on 16 May 1964. He was 30, she was 24.




Also got some info on Andy Affrica, Jr. Address in 2002 was 2300 McCleary Rd. Clarion, PA 16214 Phone number at that time was still 814-226-5035. This address and phone number may be current as of 2010.

emccomas

I noticed in the Andd Affrica ad that the car is advertised as a factory L-88, with 32,000 miles but has a "new motor".

I am wondering if this car may, in fact, be the Buxbaum and Douglas car after all.

The guy that remembers racing against that car recalled that the car had a later year L-88 with an aftermarket aluminum intake that "cocked" the carburetor at an angle on the engine.

My friend also said that this car did not have any of the L-88 unique stuff like the hood ducts. Car also had a heater.

TCracingCA

I on these have a bunch of Ownerships written down, but I don't necessary track the train of Owners. I was more about figuring out which ones were the real ones only, just for interest. I have come across those two names you mentioned, but it doesn't jump out of my memory. It is hard to take one of these known cars underground, but then a lot of time has passed since the 1970's and then we had the Reggie Jackson thing that I am looking for. I do have a VHS tape with an interview of Jackson and his Car Collection showing all of the Corvettes someplace, but I still have 2000 VHS tapes in boxes etc. out in the garage or in my storage. My Father was interviewed about his Corvette by a Canadian TV show group of guys and I have been repeated asked to find that VHS for him/by him for years and haven't got to it yet!

On that ad, I figure that the engine was blown up, pretty common usually one of three things happens to them was the trend. 32K a lot of miles for such a car actually. I hope when he says factory exhaust, that he wasn't describing the shiny pipe cover types, etc.. The M22 and transistorized ignition means that he knew something about those. The next ad, I think was just lazy, in not going into as much detail and maybe even less words for a better ad price. Through human reason and deduction and astute interpretation of the human mind-- if he was toning down the description because it wasn't then the ad would have still had his name, but the name being missing from the second one makes me feel differently. Probably just was in a rush and re-popped the basics L-88 and phone number is all one needs to sell it. These cars because of the guy from Kansas Whit.... (can't remember the spelling off the top of my head) became interesting to everyone again and guys that thought they wanted one or had one to sell, started popping up after that. I have practically every Classified ad booklet etc. that existed between around 1967 and to the start up of all the dedicated Corvette Mags from back in the day. Vette Vues started in 1972, most of the others around 1975,76 essentially. Those ad books the pre-existed prior to the Magazines are devoid of 1967 L-88s, but suddenly we had ads again after the Kansas guy thing. This all pre-dates the Corvette Black Book and the actual surveys request ads that lead to that creation. I have the ads from guys like Drew asking for information on these cars for his survey and I think that idea resulted directly from the sudden reappearance of buying and selling ads appearing wanting or advertising these cars. In 1976, they the new start up Corvette mags and Vette Vues still thought the 20 count was 4 iron head cars and 16 aluminum head cars and that is in print.

Back to the Green on Green ad, the good thing was that there was just enough information out (knowledge about these cars) and remembered that to boldly state Factory or when someone lists Original etc. was interesting-- ""factory"" creates a realistic probability. Naturally just the appearance of aluminum heads etc.. could send some into dreams of the Holy Grail and it still happens today! Some of the controversial cars could be L-89's that got mistaken or cars that got those parts and that was all it took. Also there is a very convincing Green on Green car being taken around to shows with L-88 branding that is definitely a Tribute car and not a real one. An internet search should turn that up, and years and years ago, I wrote down what that was at birth. I see mostly the guys that create such tribute cars usually aren't the problem, it is the new Owner or subsequent Ownership that gets a streak of the Devil in them usually.

Back to some of these claimed car (not talking about any in the present), it is too bad that some of these guys stuck with their L-88 story and weren't progressive enough to claim maybe L-89 or just a highly respected L-71 that got some good parts added.

As per a post by Jim, he has had the 19 of 20 from Drew since 1991 with 6 possibles. The Green on Green as per the partial serial number if that is accurate, would pre-date the Delorenzo car--- which would be a problem.

The White #89 group back in the 1970's shared a lot and states that those two white convertibles were the last two built, which would put the creditability of the Black coupe at stake. I think I have the Invoice for the Black one, so they aren't the ultimate experts either. But as claimed the White #89 wasn't picked up from the factory right away and was the last to leave. I uncovered that it was finally fetched at a Dealership also and not technically factory delivered, because Chevrolet didn't really let cars just sit around taking up space. I had the Dealership note and will have to find that, because I got lazy and didn't throw that into the folder. My forte is not file management. If any of those guys are around, and not chasing each other with Lawsuits still, it would be good to get some answers, but instead the same story line has been followed at least pretty much up to the modern and it's recent showing at the Pebble Beach. Must have been a pretty good oil leak somewhere to blow out of the grill in their replication of the oil patina! To me it equated to snot running out of the nose of some brat, that should have been cleaned off! There is "ridiculous patina" fabricated and realistic honest patina! I would like to know why they weren't sharing the casting #'s dates etc to Noland for his book?

I could go down the list of cars and point things out about most of their stories that bother me, except for just a few! My favorite car of the lot, because of cool Factor solely (my standard) is the SCCA Blue #92 Racer. I have known about that car the longest and remember it the best!

For my own cars in the Family, we got holes in the information. I think we have made the most progress on my Father's car of late! Because of a very bad divorce, my Father and my brothers and me haven't seen any of the family pictures that include the cars since 1975. Hearing my Father talk for years that he bought his car new, I was a skeptic because it had AR rims, the Race Hookers (not street merged ones), blacked out tail, engine tweeks etc.. thus thought it was bought used. I remember going with him to Long Beach Blvd for the purchase when I was a kid, but I correlated Long Beach Blvd to Long Beach, CA. My 82 year old Aunt found one picture of him and the car, and told us it was right after he bought it. Still thought it was used, and was repainted Riverside Gold. Therefore took and posted that picture up on Facebook for the rest of the family to see and our Uncle Monty who was a car guy, tells us about it here in 2013 (being bought new etc., etc. etc.! My one brother then does the NCRS search and the Dealership comes back and darn if that isn't the cherry on top! Start checking into things and now the parts make sense. Pretty cool stuff, except to hear my Father talk-- he naturally boasts to have competed here and there and that didn't prove out, but he can shift through a 4 speed and definitely street raced it and was at just enough events to matter. I do remember going to some of these events, but I was off riding my bike in the dirt most places. Moral of the story, it is cool to find and keep the histories!

emccomas

I got some info that # 194377S105260 MAY be a 67 L-88 car. I will hopefully be getting more info soon. That seems like a pretty early car.

Know anything about it?

emccomas

And here it is, from the April 1979 issue of Vette Vues (page 26)

Some of it is a bit hard to read, so here is the translation... ? where I cannot read what it says

"Tags under the dash read: Style 125 S5606 - 67 437 976AA - Trim Std. 194377S117076"

Ident No: 817137 Date Received: 02-16-67 Exp. Date of Prod.: 04-07-67 Order Number: 43442(?) Zone No: 27 Dealer: 023 (This is Bast Chevrolet in Seaforth, New York)

Model: 19437 CORVETTE SPT CPE Paint: 02976AA MARINA BLUE

Option No. Description
?STD TM BLACK TRIM
02L88AA 430 HP V8
02C48AB LESS HEATER-DEFROSTER
02K66?? TRANSISTOR IGN EQ
02G81TA POSITRACT AXLE 411R
02M22AB HD 4 SPEED TRAN

02A01AA TINTED GLASS
02F41AB SPL SUSPENSION EQ
02J50BA VACUUM POWER BRAKE
02J56AB HEAVY DUTY BRAKE
02N14AB SIDE DUAL EXHAUST

TCracingCA

My thoughts were that this may have been one of the L-89 cars. His first ads were that he was inquiring as to information on both L-88 and L-89 and he settled on L-88 wrongly. ButI have nothing to say the aluminum heads were original either on this car, so it is only a possible L-89. His article claims proof, but the big statement ended up being about the heater delete!! This was also that time frame when it was thought there were both iron and aluminum head L-88's (16 of them was what some were thinking). But this guy had L-89 in his mind prior to that awareness by various Corvette Magazine guys!

TCracingCA

I don't think this one has ever been lost or missing, pretty solid chain! The racing history is weakly documented though! That shouldn't be too hard too unscrabble if someone put in the effort. Row 2, Ps Delorenzo L-88 car in Row 3, and another 1966 HD car alongside.

TCracingCA

because like the second in command of the Clippinger club group earlier was a guy named Bob Farris! I have thought about this a whole bunch of times but never quite remember to do it! If so, then you know Bob definitely had Corvette connecions, like Wingate (claimed Number #1 sold Salesman in the entire Country). I was always surprised that Clippinger didn't come up on the list of L-88's-- COPO L-89 yes, L-88 not yet! I do know the Farris car ran around Socal for years and saw it at a few Car Events, but I don't have a mental recollection of the details of the car, just that I saw it back in the 1970's. I couldn't tell you whether it had even the air cleaner. I have personal taken shots of a lot of these cars! It could be on one of my undeveloped roles of film (over 200 cannisters of 35mm) that I just haven't gotten to for over 25 years.

TCracingCA

The #4 car is one of those 1966 HD cars
The #69 was actually a 1963 is what i have.
I will check what i have for the 1965/6? #9, but I think that was a car with a dropped L-88. These guys were on the "Getting the good parts list". I do have their C3 as one of the L-88s. Constanzo was the guy that got the first 396 1965 car and took it directly into racing.

I don't know if I have Vins or not!

Alot of the guys with the HD 1966 stuff didn't necessarily need to get the newest model car, if they could get the parts.

TCracingCA

This process for the 427 was started Sept 7th 1965 (production started and they listed that with 194376s100001 and the claim of reaching 500 units for Group III submission was reached on September 28th 1965. Interesting. Engine code denoted 1965 was IP.

Basically the same Recognition number #523 was used, and for subsequent models they applied for entry under this same #523 submission, but cited Appendix "J" for variant. 1967 cam submission variant was #3879605, exhaust valve 1.84. They continued to submit under #523 at least into 1971. The 1967 Variant submission other than spelling out the cam specs, showed pictures of other variants that pictured an entire 1967 car, an interior shot, the bottom of the heads, the top of the manifold, the side mount headers, and an overall shot of the engine bay. Weight 2778 lbs. So they had their excuse covered as per getting papers passed. So in scrutineering if someone raised a question they could refer them to the pictures.

The papers were signed by Z Arkus Duntov-- Staff Engineer, Corvette Engine an Chassis and also by the Chevrolet Motor Division Chief Special Products Engineer which is hard to read so I would have to look that up-- might be Burnell or something similar. But it was Chevrolet that made the submission technically, so they were back into racing whether the higher ups knew it or not. Therefore not really backdoor technically! Duntov was going to LeMans etc was probably the plan in Sept 1965. Zora being a former factory shoe for Porsche, he would have known the ins and outs of FIA submissions!

Mailbu Beach

There was a red 68/69 L88 at Bloomington in 88 for the L88 show..all restored but missing the smog pump. Just happened I had one pulled off a brand new car ...pump, tubes, hoses all date coded perfect for the guys car.

He bought it.

The set up came in a box of stuff I got when I bougnt a survivor 57. The husband had pulled the pump assembly off anothet car he owned.

have video from that event somewhere.

Bill..you were there!

Joe

TCracingCA

That i was looking at too many of the race cars, and didn't have a realization that they had smog equipment. I when i have seen these at car shows usually i actually walk up and start looking at the paperwork really only, and then i step back and shoot an overall shot. For the stock cars, I actually don't dwell on anything, because I assume i have seen it all before, because it is stock. I spend more time being interested in race cars and modified cars (Always something new done differently by others to see).

i guess periodically, I will or had better look at some stock engine bays!

mickthefish

The Export 68 silver one was ordered without due to it being ''Export'' that Proteam have.So guest there was a way of not having a smog pump?

TCracingCA

God forbid that I take a hit of reputation on this forum for not realizing that stock L-88 had smog equipment. The horror of continuing to drag myself up from the basement of creditability having made some statement or asking a dumb question which causes me one giant step back , which takes exactly 42.5 posts (fancy math) to gain ground to get back where you previously were!

PS I am coming up fast on post 42.5, man I hope I don't blow it and say the wrong thing about something Corvette again!

mickthefish

Sorry i'll go to the naughty step.................................... ..never to be heard from again. So Happy new year.

TCracingCA

I was just joking that this was turning into a whether L-88's had smog or not thread, just because I was ignorant to the fact that these got smog equipment! But I was using your good information to save my tainted reputation and you shared one that didn't, and you know I am also only joking about my tainted reputation!

PS I thought I put plenty of those smile things in my post above!!: D

mickthefish

Please Mucker i'll start to think you like us........hehehehe.
I saw on another site where Kevin Mckay was saying 2 67/ 6 68/ 9 12? L88 were uncountable would you say those numbers are about correct? or should I stop looking for that UK 68 in 2015? :-)