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Old Aug 14, 2005 | 12:02 PM
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Your car was built on August 25th 1970 (A25)
The original color was Brandshatch Green (983)
Interior was green vinyl standard interior (423)

It was the 887th car built

A 350, 4bbl Automatic would have been the standard engine 270 HP

The console plate was probably added later and appears to be incorrect for this car.
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Old Aug 14, 2005 | 12:46 PM
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I'm guessing an in-the-know student, like yourself, or maybe a Dad will want this car when its done. It won't make it to the auction.
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Old Aug 14, 2005 | 01:19 PM
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>>>>>>>>>The console plate was probably added later and appears to be incorrect for this car.<<<<<<<<<
How can we confirm this for certain? The build sheet is missing. If there were no LT1 Automatics, then this console plate should not exist at all, even if it not original to this particular car. Did an aftermarket dealer make "1971 LT1/auto shifter plates"? Does that make sense?

Don't mean to be argumentative, but this is important.
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Old Aug 14, 2005 | 01:30 PM
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if im not mistaken this is what it should look like if it was real.
http://www.ecklers.com/product.asp?p...WNE3C6428R98G5
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Old Aug 14, 2005 | 01:47 PM
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Data plates are easily changed.

In the know NCRS people can tell the originals from the new repro's....the fonts are slightly different.
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Old Aug 14, 2005 | 02:01 PM
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>>>>>>>>>if im not mistaken this is what it should look like if it was real.<<<<<<<<
That is what it looks like. My next question is, why would someone add such a plate when the owner converted the car to big block? Maybe the plate was added years ago. If so, were the plates reproduced then? I was not aware that the plate was a separate item from the shift plate. Mine looks like it is part of the shift plate. Perhaps I'm mistaken.

Is there maybe something else that would ID this car? Did the LT1 come with certain other options that only an LT1 would have, like special brakes, steering, drivetrain options, etc?

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Old Aug 14, 2005 | 02:12 PM
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Maybe the first guy probably had a base engine Vette. Wanted to change it to an LT-1 the least expensive method----> change the data plate to LT-1.

Maybe the next owner comes along, puts in a BB and doesn't touch the data plate. When you have a BB the data plate is irrelavent.
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Old Aug 14, 2005 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Oklahoma Academy
Lastly, the forum "tag" at the bottom of my screen says "You may NOT post attachments", otherwise I took a few pics this morning. Perhaps I could email them to someone.
Mine always said that, but I can post pics. Host them somewhere and stick em in the post with the button above the message box.
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Old Aug 14, 2005 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Star79
Mine always said that, but I can post pics. Host them somewhere and stick em in the post with the button above the message box.
photobucket.com works for me ......

now pics

this is like reliving high school days ..... at least the cool parts
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Old Aug 14, 2005 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Oklahoma Academy
>>>>>>>>>if im not mistaken this is what it should look like if it was real.<<<<<<<<
That is what it looks like. My next question is, why would someone add such a plate when the owner converted the car to big block? Maybe the plate was added years ago. If so, were the plates reproduced then? I was not aware that the plate was a separate item from the shift plate. Mine looks like it is part of the shift plate. Perhaps I'm mistaken.

Is there maybe something else that would ID this car? Did the LT1 come with certain other options that only an LT1 would have, like special brakes, steering, drivetrain options, etc?
There are a number of things unique to an LT-1, but most of them are found on the motor which seems to be gone from this car:

1. 2 1/2" Exhaust
2. 4-speed M-21 Transmission (ZR-1 had M-22, but only 8 0f them made)
3. No Air Conditioning (except late 72)
4. The Emission Sticker on the Firewall will have "AX" in upper left corner)
5. Aluminum Intake Manifold
6. Solid Lifters
7. Performance Cam
8. One fuel line (No return on the Lt-1)
9 Possibly will have transistor ignition (was an Option for Lt-1 but not required)
10. Holly Carb with a splitter in the fuel line
11. Open Element Air cleaner
12. Cast Aluminum Valve Covers


I think this covers most of the unique LT-1 areas for the 1971.
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Old Aug 14, 2005 | 03:42 PM
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If the trans. cross-member is a bolt-in, it never was an LT-1......also, look for a 6,500 redline tachometer....
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Old Aug 14, 2005 | 06:32 PM
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Info For the 71 LT1 Vette




Total Vette production 21,801
14,680 coupes
7121 convertible
1949 were LT1's


Color = 983 (Brands Hatch Green) 3445 Vettes painted this color

Trim = 423 (Dark green vinyl interior)

Body build date A25 = August 25th 1970

Engine suffix CGZ = 350ci LT1 330hp with Holley 1X4BC, mechanical lifters & 4sp

Block # 3970010

Head # 3973487

Intake # 3959594 (aluminum intake for LT1)

Exhaust manifold # = 3872765 (LH) 3932461 (RT)

Carburetor # = Holley model 4150 MFG# R4801A Chevy# 3989021

Alternator # 1100950 (42 amp)

Distributor # 1112038 (transistor ignition)

Ignition coil # 1115272

Starter # 1108381 or 1108281 (ZR1) and less likely 1108418

Wiper motor # 7044758

Email me the window glass codes & I'l decode them

VIN # is 194371S100887 = early build# built in August 1970 (I'd guess around the 25th of August) 886th car built for 1971

A/C not available with LT1

Check & see if these options are present. They won't necessarilly confirm or deny an LT1 but are desirable

A85 custom shoulder belts

A31 power windows

C50 rear window defroster

J50 power brakes

N37 tilt-telescopic steering column

N40 power steering

UA6 alarm

PO2 deluxe wheel covers

U79 AM/FM radio (stereo)

ZQ1 optional rear axel ratio


Well, that should give you a start. Check the car for the above info and depending on what you find we can tell you exactly what the car is

STW!

Platato

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Old Aug 15, 2005 | 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Oklahoma Academy
Hello all,
I have no experience on Corvettes. So I will be asking a large amount of silly questions as we go through this in the next year.
So, are you going to tell the students that all of your knowledge of corvette's is in your head, or will you tell them about us....

I want to sign up for your class !!!
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Old Aug 15, 2005 | 05:56 AM
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Just a few other thoughts and hopefully we can get a few to chime in and see if they agree or have any more ideas

1. I would highly recommend doing a body off restoration on the Vette.

2. Stay with rubber for the suspension & body, tranny and engine mounts.

3. A 255-60-R15 is the biggest tire your going to get on the car

4. The original paint is lacquer not base coat clear coat

5. Use reflectix or some other reflective insulation everywhere under the interior trim

6. Interior dyes work very well for interior plastic panels and dash

7. Go with stainless steel parking brake shoes and hardware

8. Invest some time or cash in the heads to increase the fun factor

9. Protect the fiberglass underbody from the exhaust heat

10. Swap the heater core while you have the car apart

11. Correct cadnium (sp) plating and other metal finishes will increase value and give evidence of a quality restoration

12. Acquire a 1971 Corvette Assembly Manual

13. Acquire a 1971 GM Corvette Service Manual

14. Acquire the NCRS Judging Guide that covers the 71

STW!

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P.S I'm really excited for you and your class. Have the kids stop by the Forum and visit & ask questions.
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Old Aug 15, 2005 | 08:08 AM
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The VIN says its 1970! Best year!! But I would say that.
Best of luck with the project Fred, you came to the right place.
Not all the vetteheads here are from the USA we have guys from Australia, Holland, Sweden, Finland, Thailand, UK, etc. So there is a bit of geography here for the kids too.
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Old Aug 15, 2005 | 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Graemeinvette
The VIN says its 1970! Best year!! But I would say that.
Best of luck with the project Fred, you came to the right place.
Not all the vetteheads here are from the USA we have guys from Australia, Holland, Sweden, Finland, Thailand, UK, etc. So there is a bit of geography here for the kids too.
I believe the VIN # with a 194371SXXXXX is a 1971 number
1970 VINs started 194370SXXXXX
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Old Aug 15, 2005 | 10:46 AM
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Look at the crossmember for the trans, if the car is an LT1 it is welded,(all 4spd) auto are bolted. Also look at the fuel line on the pass side. The LT1's have a single line because the Holley carb. All rochester carb cars have dual fuel lines, one is a return from the pump to tank.
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Old Aug 15, 2005 | 11:47 AM
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In the opinion of someone who owns a lot of fun and expensive cars, I would NEVER pay more money for an original car. How boring! That would just mean that I would have to spend more money after buying the car to make it right. Original Vettes are so far from "right" that it is disgusting.

My advice is that while you have the car in pieces, you might as well put it back together with parts that are engineered the way you would want in a car that you would let your child drive.

These "all original" people are about as boring and short-sighted as it gets. There is a quote that I keep seeing on here that I love. It says, "If I want to see an original Vette, I'll go look in a book."

By the way, only the "all original" people think that an all original car is worth more. It's all opinion based, so make your decision based on what is the best learning experience for your class, not some fuddy-duddy's opinion, and not my opinion either.

I think that it would be a better lesson for your students to approach it like this:

"Can you see how incredibly poorly this original piece was designed and can you see how this other one is so much better..."

or

"How can we go about making this part actually work the way it was intended to?"

If you are dealing with students, they are probably young and cutting edge. I'm sure they don't stay up until 2am watching the history channel, discussing library books. Give them a fun time!


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Old Aug 15, 2005 | 01:40 PM
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>>>>>>>>>put it back together with parts that are engineered the way you would want in a car that you would let your child drive.<<<<<<<<<

I would do that, except we would not get much for a 'vette with a four cylinder and six point roll cage.


>>>>>>>>>If you are dealing with students, they are probably young and cutting edge. I'm sure they don't stay up until 2am watching the history channel, discussing library books. Give them a fun time!<<<<<<<<

Actually, that is how my students are. We are a Bible/missionary school. But nevertheless, we will still have fun with our restoration project.

Since it has become obvious that this car is nothing special, we will go resto-mod on it. Classy custom 'glass, ground effects, lots of chrome on the engine, maybe something big up top. We have a '72 #3970010 four bolt 350 already here.Add a rumpty rump cam, headers and ? for carburetion. That with the turbo 400 and 4:10 posi ought to be plenty. A set of nice custom wheels with huge tires.

WDYT?

You think the kids will have fun with that?
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Old Aug 15, 2005 | 01:52 PM
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Actually man, that sounds BEAUTIFUL!


ps- ummm..... good point on the 4 cyl with the rollcage!
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