Fake documents for only $400
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Fake documents for only $400
..but he says they are for "novelty only." 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-...spagenameZWDVW
I know there's been threads on these before but... $400?
Maybe he will take a spelling class if he sells a couple.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-...spagenameZWDVW
I know there's been threads on these before but... $400?
Maybe he will take a spelling class if he sells a couple.
Drifting
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From: Nixa Missouri
It's because of this sort of BS 
out on the market these days, is why I'm going to video record and document the removal of my fuel tank when I go after the Tank sticker, that way there will be no dought about the REAL paperwork that will be offered with my car.
Besides, I'm going to hand down the car to my grandaughter anyway so I dont have to worry about selling it.
out on the market these days, is why I'm going to video record and document the removal of my fuel tank when I go after the Tank sticker, that way there will be no dought about the REAL paperwork that will be offered with my car.Besides, I'm going to hand down the car to my grandaughter anyway so I dont have to worry about selling it.
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I agree it's slimy. I don't agree that the guy's stupid to think he can get $400 for that stuff, since those docs can add several thousand to a car's value. And whatever his spelling skills, those are some pretty damn authentic looking docs, and a pretty extensive set. Now, if he were just selling a POP with that set. . . .
Frankly, the silliness is the thought that the guy who just offered me $36K for my car might be willing to pay $40K if I had the stuff being sold in that auction. Right up there with the notion that a 40 year old barbie doll is worth hundreds of dollars more if the box was never opened.
Did I mention my car's for sale, no paperwork?
JB
Frankly, the silliness is the thought that the guy who just offered me $36K for my car might be willing to pay $40K if I had the stuff being sold in that auction. Right up there with the notion that a 40 year old barbie doll is worth hundreds of dollars more if the box was never opened.
Did I mention my car's for sale, no paperwork?
JB
Last edited by JB; May 31, 2008 at 10:20 AM.
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And ... for an extra 75 bucks, they'll speed up the delivery from 3-4 weeks to 9-10 days ... for the actual documents that are shown in the pic!
I thought they'd be 'aging the paper', but must be they are only 'drying the ink!'
I thought they'd be 'aging the paper', but must be they are only 'drying the ink!'
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Actually, I have the occasion to deal with counterfeit docs at work, and it's interesting how beautifully faked some stuff is... and you look closely and see words spelled wrong. I have to assume it's a foreign language thing.
Way back when, the first time I ever received a "phish" scam message, I wasn't fooled because as beautiful at the web site was reproduced, it actually included spelling errors which is pretty common for kids today. Techno-geniuses and they can't spell their way out of a 6th-grade bag.
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It's because of this sort of BS out on the market these days, is why I'm going to video record and document the removal of my fuel tank when I go after the Tank sticker, that way there will be no dought about the REAL paperwork that will be offered with my car.
Besides, I'm going to hand down the car to my grandaughter anyway so I dont have to worry about selling it.
out on the market these days, is why I'm going to video record and document the removal of my fuel tank when I go after the Tank sticker, that way there will be no dought about the REAL paperwork that will be offered with my car.Besides, I'm going to hand down the car to my grandaughter anyway so I dont have to worry about selling it.
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Interestingly, the 'crime' is not in creating the documents....the crime is in passing them off as legitimate. And, even if the owner doesn't say that the documents are real, he implies it by providing them to a prospective buyer...and then becomes a felon.
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Most forgery statutes have to do with the creation of a document that is meant to deceive (wording is different everywhere). If the document maker produces an exact copy of a '69 L88 tank sticker and sells it for hundreds of dollars, it's hard for him to make the argument that it's "novelty" when it is not selling for $9.99 and doesn't say "for entertainment purposes only" on it somewhere. I think the criminal act argument can be made. This is the reason most people selling VIN tags at swap meets get chased away.
Then you take the buyer of said tank sticker, who suddenly includes it with his car sale. Implied or not, he is now selling the car for a small fortune, and it is documented that he purchased the fake sticker from the sticker maker. Both could be accused of conspiracy to commit fraud, forgery, etc., I think. Intent is always hard to prove, but I don't think it would be impossible to put a circumstantial case together.
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Thqat is sooo not Cooool. I sent them an email. I ask if they could make me a set for my PINTO restoration! I will post the reply if I get one.
Fred
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This a hobby. Right? We're just having FUN.
I can have MORE fun if I can have some documents, just for FUN. Why are a few pieces of paper worth $400?
Oh, he has more fun if I pay him that much.
Regards,
Alan
I can have MORE fun if I can have some documents, just for FUN. Why are a few pieces of paper worth $400?
Oh, he has more fun if I pay him that much.
Regards,
Alan
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Hmmmm... I wonder about that.
Most forgery statutes have to do with the creation of a document that is meant to deceive (wording is different everywhere). If the document maker produces an exact copy of a '69 L88 tank sticker and sells it for hundreds of dollars, it's hard for him to make the argument that it's "novelty" when it is not selling for $9.99 and doesn't say "for entertainment purposes only" on it somewhere. I think the criminal act argument can be made. This is the reason most people selling VIN tags at swap meets get chased away.
Then you take the buyer of said tank sticker, who suddenly includes it with his car sale. Implied or not, he is now selling the car for a small fortune, and it is documented that he purchased the fake sticker from the sticker maker. Both could be accused of conspiracy to commit fraud, forgery, etc., I think. Intent is always hard to prove, but I don't think it would be impossible to put a circumstantial case together.
Most forgery statutes have to do with the creation of a document that is meant to deceive (wording is different everywhere). If the document maker produces an exact copy of a '69 L88 tank sticker and sells it for hundreds of dollars, it's hard for him to make the argument that it's "novelty" when it is not selling for $9.99 and doesn't say "for entertainment purposes only" on it somewhere. I think the criminal act argument can be made. This is the reason most people selling VIN tags at swap meets get chased away.
Then you take the buyer of said tank sticker, who suddenly includes it with his car sale. Implied or not, he is now selling the car for a small fortune, and it is documented that he purchased the fake sticker from the sticker maker. Both could be accused of conspiracy to commit fraud, forgery, etc., I think. Intent is always hard to prove, but I don't think it would be impossible to put a circumstantial case together.
The ebayer seller pretty much has himself covered. He is free to ask any price and states that it is for display only. I think being able to do this sucks but that's just how some things work I guess.
