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Old Feb 17, 2013 | 04:14 PM
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I removed the sides of the swirl plate body EXCEPT for a vertical piece that was needed for each vane to stay in place. Maybe 1/8" wide leading from underside of lid down to the vane. Did not change pitch of vanes. So, I have about a 1/2" tbi spacer, plus extra injector gasket, the swirl plate/vane modification as described, ported intake manifold, bumped pressure to 14 psi, 85 fuel pump. Have NEVER had any puddling problems. To me, that topic is a non-issue.
I went down to shop this morning [friends of mine] took my plenum AND intake back off [re-wrapped engine in plastic] since I've got another month or so till weather breaks I'm going to do A FEW more mods to swirl-plate/vanes and a lil more port work-NOT MUCH-on intake! Thanks for your post! On the ports just a FEW areas need to be addressed. After looking at my swirl plates and RE-READING your post..... I now FULLY understand about comment on "1/2" spacer [more or less equivalent to 1/2" spacer under the tb], Thanks!.
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Old Feb 17, 2013 | 06:15 PM
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So is everybody saying to "keep" the vanes and modifing them? Because I removed mine??? Will that be better or worse??
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Old Feb 17, 2013 | 07:13 PM
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So is everybody saying to "keep" the vanes and modifing them? Because I removed mine??? Will that be better or worse??
Back when this was a big topic on the Crossfire Injection Forum - but a shadow of itself now - some removed them entirely, and did not have a problem. I like the idea of the vanes to swirl the fuel, with the sides removed for the reason that I did it and it must be right. But, the vanes make intuitive sense to me.
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Old Feb 17, 2013 | 07:27 PM
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So is everybody saying to "keep" the vanes and modifing them? Because I removed mine??? Will that be better or worse??
I never drove mine without the swirl plates? so I can't tell ya? Some people out there say "no problems" by removing them? AND then some people say DON'T remove them? They are there for a reason.....right? for ME I'm just going to keep them [modified] Al, go to CROSSRAM www.camaro-untoldsecerts.com and read/look at the info on that site about the org. crossram. I read it carefully AND looked at that intake MORE similarities between the 2 than differences. I had some one argue about how that [crossram] WAS NOT the idea behind the crossfire. Well MY research begs to differ there closer than ya might think. Main dif. I SEE and READ is port size and plenum volume other than that and being TBI instead of carbed there pretty darn close.
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Old Feb 17, 2013 | 07:30 PM
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dam typo!!!secrets!
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Old Feb 17, 2013 | 07:39 PM
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Back when this was a big topic on the Crossfire Injection Forum - but a shadow of itself now - some removed them entirely, and did not have a problem. I like the idea of the vanes to swirl the fuel, with the sides removed for the reason that I did it and it must be right. But, the vanes make intuitive sense to me.
Yes make's sense to me also.......just modified. I doubt the engineer's at GM put em in there ta choke up the ALREADY choked up crossfire?? That however is just IMHO?
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Old Feb 17, 2013 | 07:49 PM
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i modified mine with the thought that gm thought it was better with them than with out them .
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Old Feb 17, 2013 | 07:52 PM
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Yes make's sense to me also.......just modified. I doubt the engineer's at GM put em in there ta choke up the ALREADY choked up crossfire?? That however is just IMHO?
when they designed the org. crossram they had--wet fuel puddling problems--maybe some swirl/vane plates would have cured that???problem?
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Old Feb 17, 2013 | 07:53 PM
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i modified mine with the thought that gm thought it was better with them than with out them .
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Old Feb 17, 2013 | 08:00 PM
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The reason I removed mine is and I know they are completely different is that DCS don't have them at all in there new manifold coming out. I read awhile back that they are there to help disperse the fuel ?? It doesn't matter to me since I have two lids, one with and one without just don't know which one to use. By the way I'm very interested in using the TPI aluminum heads. Is that a good mod for our cars??
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Old Feb 18, 2013 | 12:13 AM
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The reason I removed mine is and I know they are completely different is that DCS don't have them at all in there new manifold coming out. I read awhile back that they are there to help disperse the fuel ?? It doesn't matter to me since I have two lids, one with and one without just don't know which one to use. By the way I'm very interested in using the TPI aluminum heads. Is that a good mod for our cars??
Like I said good point, there renagade is higher w/larger ports so maybe not an issue anyway? If ya got em out and your car is run n right I would'nt worry about it? As far as the TPI heads [are they 64cc chambers?] our stock heads are 74cc chambers. I'm SURE there better than our stockers. How much better? not sure? aluminum, you can run a lil higher compression, and w/ a lil research you might be able to figure out the compression ratio w/your stock pistons and MAYBE run a dif. head gasket[thickness]? to get the comp/ closer to 10.1 and still run pump gas. I don't wanna say too much because I don't know a lot about the TPI heads? Let me know what you find out?
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Old Feb 18, 2013 | 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by alconk
The reason I removed mine is and I know they are completely different is that DCS don't have them at all in there new manifold coming out. I read awhile back that they are there to help disperse the fuel ?? It doesn't matter to me since I have two lids, one with and one without just don't know which one to use. By the way I'm very interested in using the TPI aluminum heads. Is that a good mod for our cars??
I had the money [which I don't] I would have put some good aluminum heads on my build instead of porting the goodwrench heads I used. Like maybe the Jeg heads w/the 180cc runners/64cc? or something w/ near those #'s. However $$$ are a real issue for me now.....so I gotta hot rod on the cheap! these days!
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Old Feb 24, 2013 | 09:26 AM
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Got the post but no pic's included? Same problem I'm having is it me [stupid] or this site? or my pc? cause I CAN'T get NO pic's to POST??????????
That looks darn near the same as mine? is that silver or silver-green?
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Old May 18, 2013 | 11:36 AM
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SO is it worth the boring the TBI's out with a stock ecm?
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Old May 18, 2013 | 03:22 PM
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SO is it worth the boring the TBI's out with a stock ecm?
no .it will run fine with out boring it out .are you wanting more power or just trying to improve you car?
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Old May 19, 2013 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by terry82
no .it will run fine with out boring it out .are you wanting more power or just trying to improve you car?
both really car has a 99 ZZ4 longblock would like to utilize the engines potential. We all know the CF chokes down so i am porting an extra. I have put bushings in an extra TBI's i have and while they are apart would be a great time to bore them out. My understanding is the ZZ$ can be 350 Hp flowing a 750 carb figured in want to be close to that.
But on the other hand funds are tight and if i have to change injectors, ecm, programming i am sure none of that is cheap. car is a daily drive not a race car.
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Old May 19, 2013 | 01:30 PM
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yes if you are after performance and you have good heads and are running a decent cam you will need the bigger tbs.but I don't think you can get as big as the 750 carb .the factory tbs are limited.
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DSC can bore them to 2.0" and will flow in excess of 700 CFM.
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DSC can bore them to 2.0" and will flow in excess of 700 CFM.
I can bore them at work have an extra set i just put bushings in & spoke to TOm friday if i want to take full advantage i am looking at bigger injectors, new ecm , ham board and then tuning which did not sound liek it was easy to find someone that can tune it is antique software.

Not sure if i can or want to sink the extra $$ into it. Switch to carb cheaper and i can tune it old school. Sad got my doors blown off by an 88 mustang gt

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