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I removed the sides of the swirl plate body EXCEPT for a vertical piece that was needed for each vane to stay in place. Maybe 1/8" wide leading from underside of lid down to the vane. Did not change pitch of vanes. So, I have about a 1/2" tbi spacer, plus extra injector gasket, the swirl plate/vane modification as described, ported intake manifold, bumped pressure to 14 psi, 85 fuel pump. Have NEVER had any puddling problems. To me, that topic is a non-issue.
I went down to shop this morning [friends of mine] took my plenum AND intake back off [re-wrapped engine in plastic] since I've got another month or so till weather breaks I'm going to do A FEW more mods to swirl-plate/vanes and a lil more port work-NOT MUCH-on intake! Thanks for your post! On the ports just a FEW areas need to be addressed. After looking at my swirl plates and RE-READING your post..... I now FULLY understand about comment on "1/2" spacer [more or less equivalent to 1/2" spacer under the tb], Thanks!.
So is everybody saying to "keep" the vanes and modifing them? Because I removed mine??? Will that be better or worse??
Back when this was a big topic on the Crossfire Injection Forum - but a shadow of itself now - some removed them entirely, and did not have a problem. I like the idea of the vanes to swirl the fuel, with the sides removed for the reason that I did it and it must be right. But, the vanes make intuitive sense to me.
So is everybody saying to "keep" the vanes and modifing them? Because I removed mine??? Will that be better or worse??
I never drove mine without the swirl plates? so I can't tell ya? Some people out there say "no problems" by removing them? AND then some people say DON'T remove them? They are there for a reason.....right? for ME I'm just going to keep them [modified] Al, go to CROSSRAM www.camaro-untoldsecerts.com and read/look at the info on that site about the org. crossram. I read it carefully AND looked at that intake MORE similarities between the 2 than differences. I had some one argue about how that [crossram] WAS NOT the idea behind the crossfire. Well MY research begs to differ there closer than ya might think. Main dif. I SEE and READ is port size and plenum volume other than that and being TBI instead of carbed there pretty darn close.
Back when this was a big topic on the Crossfire Injection Forum - but a shadow of itself now - some removed them entirely, and did not have a problem. I like the idea of the vanes to swirl the fuel, with the sides removed for the reason that I did it and it must be right. But, the vanes make intuitive sense to me.
Yes make's sense to me also.......just modified. I doubt the engineer's at GM put em in there ta choke up the ALREADY choked up crossfire?? That however is just IMHO?
Yes make's sense to me also.......just modified. I doubt the engineer's at GM put em in there ta choke up the ALREADY choked up crossfire?? That however is just IMHO?
when they designed the org. crossram they had--wet fuel puddling problems--maybe some swirl/vane plates would have cured that???problem?
The reason I removed mine is and I know they are completely different is that DCS don't have them at all in there new manifold coming out. I read awhile back that they are there to help disperse the fuel ?? It doesn't matter to me since I have two lids, one with and one without just don't know which one to use. By the way I'm very interested in using the TPI aluminum heads. Is that a good mod for our cars??
The reason I removed mine is and I know they are completely different is that DCS don't have them at all in there new manifold coming out. I read awhile back that they are there to help disperse the fuel ?? It doesn't matter to me since I have two lids, one with and one without just don't know which one to use. By the way I'm very interested in using the TPI aluminum heads. Is that a good mod for our cars??
Like I said good point, there renagade is higher w/larger ports so maybe not an issue anyway? If ya got em out and your car is run n right I would'nt worry about it? As far as the TPI heads [are they 64cc chambers?] our stock heads are 74cc chambers. I'm SURE there better than our stockers. How much better? not sure? aluminum, you can run a lil higher compression, and w/ a lil research you might be able to figure out the compression ratio w/your stock pistons and MAYBE run a dif. head gasket[thickness]? to get the comp/ closer to 10.1 and still run pump gas. I don't wanna say too much because I don't know a lot about the TPI heads? Let me know what you find out?
The reason I removed mine is and I know they are completely different is that DCS don't have them at all in there new manifold coming out. I read awhile back that they are there to help disperse the fuel ?? It doesn't matter to me since I have two lids, one with and one without just don't know which one to use. By the way I'm very interested in using the TPI aluminum heads. Is that a good mod for our cars??
I had the money [which I don't] I would have put some good aluminum heads on my build instead of porting the goodwrench heads I used. Like maybe the Jeg heads w/the 180cc runners/64cc? or something w/ near those #'s. However $$$ are a real issue for me now.....so I gotta hot rod on the cheap! these days!
no .it will run fine with out boring it out .are you wanting more power or just trying to improve you car?
both really car has a 99 ZZ4 longblock would like to utilize the engines potential. We all know the CF chokes down so i am porting an extra. I have put bushings in an extra TBI's i have and while they are apart would be a great time to bore them out. My understanding is the ZZ$ can be 350 Hp flowing a 750 carb figured in want to be close to that.
But on the other hand funds are tight and if i have to change injectors, ecm, programming i am sure none of that is cheap. car is a daily drive not a race car.
yes if you are after performance and you have good heads and are running a decent cam you will need the bigger tbs.but I don't think you can get as big as the 750 carb .the factory tbs are limited.
DSC can bore them to 2.0" and will flow in excess of 700 CFM.
I can bore them at work have an extra set i just put bushings in & spoke to TOm friday if i want to take full advantage i am looking at bigger injectors, new ecm , ham board and then tuning which did not sound liek it was easy to find someone that can tune it is antique software.
Not sure if i can or want to sink the extra $$ into it. Switch to carb cheaper and i can tune it old school. Sad got my doors blown off by an 88 mustang gt
Last edited by Aldo_45030; May 19, 2013 at 09:37 PM.