1970 ZR1 Question
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From: Maple Valley WA
That's right. If you check the 1970 AIM, you'll see under the U69/U79 options where these items are added. You should not find any ground straps on the exhaust either.
Here's a picture of a real ZR1, not that I am insinuating the one being discussed is not a real ZR1...
Here's a picture of a real ZR1, not that I am insinuating the one being discussed is not a real ZR1...
Ok, good info thanks. By the way I found this registry listing the subject car S/N 5190.
http://www.1970corvetteregistry.org/engine.html
See the data regarding the alarm etc...
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In your last post at the end you put this after your comment.
It is VERY difficult to interpret what the true meaning of what someone writes on a discussion forum.
It gave me the appearance of you are guffawing at the thought that someone is going to add sidepipes and an alarm on a car like this and that this is not a true ZR1.
So it could be the real deal then? Is it that nobody here can determine from the pictures in the advertisement whether it is a real or a clone?
Certainly there must be tell tale signs this is either a real one or a fake one?
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From: Maple Valley WA
Here is why.....
In your last post at the end you put this after your comment.
It is VERY difficult to interpret what the true meaning of what someone writes on a discussion forum.
It gave me the appearance of you are guffawing at the thought that someone is going to add sidepipes and an alarm on a car like this and that this is not a true ZR1.
So it could be the real deal then? Is it that nobody here can determine from the pictures in the advertisement whether it is a real or a clone?
Certainly there must be tell tale signs this is either a real one or a fake one?
In your last post at the end you put this after your comment.
It is VERY difficult to interpret what the true meaning of what someone writes on a discussion forum.
It gave me the appearance of you are guffawing at the thought that someone is going to add sidepipes and an alarm on a car like this and that this is not a true ZR1.
So it could be the real deal then? Is it that nobody here can determine from the pictures in the advertisement whether it is a real or a clone?
Certainly there must be tell tale signs this is either a real one or a fake one?
I'm leaning towards real with modifications but I'm no where near an expert on these C3's. I've just recently started to appreciate the more unique models of this series.
Melting Slicks
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St. Jude Donor '13-'14
He says he has the POP. And while documentation can also be faked, this would list what "originally" came in the car.
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From: YANKEES UNIVERSE 70 454-LS5 500 ft-lbs Torque
This car has POP and some other factory docs,NOT that it proves anything,BUT it could be real.Maybe someone here on the forum knows this ZR1 and could share some info on it.
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From: Draper Utah
From the 70 Registray "Factory ordered & delivered with ZR1 and M-21. Original owner, protect-o-plate & all."
The M22 transmission was part of the ZR-1 option. The M-21 was not an option with the ZR-1 package.
FAKE!
Disclosure: I am not a Corvette expert. I just play one on the internet.
The M22 transmission was part of the ZR-1 option. The M-21 was not an option with the ZR-1 package.
FAKE!
Disclosure: I am not a Corvette expert. I just play one on the internet.
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Melting Slicks
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From: Raleigh NC
St. Jude Donor '13-'14
From the 70 Registray "Factory ordered & delivered with ZR1 and M-21. Original owner, protect-o-plate & all."
The M22 transmission was part of the ZR-1 option. The M-21 was not an option with the ZR-1 package.
FAKE!
Disclosure: I am not a Corvette expert. I just play one on the internet.
The M22 transmission was part of the ZR-1 option. The M-21 was not an option with the ZR-1 package.
FAKE!
Disclosure: I am not a Corvette expert. I just play one on the internet.
Safety Car
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From: Draper Utah
The ZR-1 required the M-22 trans, LT-1 engine, J50 power brakes. The cars came with a metal fan shroud, no radio shielding and radio delete plate.
RPOs A31, C50, C60, N40, P02, UA6, U68 and U79 were not available.
Required rear gear options were: 3.55, 3.70 AND 4.11.
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Interesting that it has been in a "private collection" for 42 years--in other words, darn near since it rolled off the assembly line. Really? If so, it ought to be pretty easy to validate. But then again, with just one owner over all that time, why has everything been so meticulously (over)restored to the last detail? That's fairly atypical of something that sits in a guy's "collection" that long. And why in the world for something restored righ down to fake stickers were chintzy Hooker sidepipes left on it? Awful lot of weird questions for a six figure car.
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From: Corvetteville USA
We still have disagreement on whether this is a clone or not. Very interesting it cannot be confirmed from the pics alone so far.
Let's say it is the real deal with the owner installed changes, would $120K be in line of what this car should price at?
Let's say it is the real deal with the owner installed changes, would $120K be in line of what this car should price at?
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From: Corvetteville USA
He lists the 3.08 rear end in both the ebay ad and C3registry. This car just doesn't have the proper option combinations.
The ZR-1 required the M-22 trans, LT-1 engine, J50 power brakes. The cars came with a metal fan shroud, no radio shielding and radio delete plate.
RPOs A31, C50, C60, N40, P02, UA6, U68 and U79 were not available.
Required rear gear options were: 3.55, 3.70 AND 4.11.
The ZR-1 required the M-22 trans, LT-1 engine, J50 power brakes. The cars came with a metal fan shroud, no radio shielding and radio delete plate.
RPOs A31, C50, C60, N40, P02, UA6, U68 and U79 were not available.
Required rear gear options were: 3.55, 3.70 AND 4.11.
I do not have the knowledge to determine whether the car is authentic but there has to be some folks out there that can just look at the car and information and tell it is a clone. You may be one of these sorts.
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From: Maple Valley WA
My personal opinion...a car is only worth what somebody is willing to pay for it and in this case with all of the strange things noted I would never spend that kind of money on it.
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From: Austin Tx
Ok, good info thanks. By the way I found this registry listing the subject car S/N 5190.
http://www.1970corvetteregistry.org/engine.html
See the data regarding the alarm etc...
The factory installed alarm means the car can not be a factory ZR1.
I still have not received a reply to my question to the seller, asking for an explanation of the UA6 option.
Melting Slicks
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From: Austin Tx
You are 100% correct. The factory LT1 alarm system could not be ordered on a ZR1. However, the LT1 alarm system could be ordered and dealer installed. This car spent it's early life in New Jersey and the original owner had the dealer order a factory LT1 alarm system and install it.
Thank you for your interest
Thank you for your interest
In my opinion there is no way this is a real ZR1, and I don't even think its an acceptable clone, because it has options to here not possible on real ZR1's.
Instructor
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From: Chandler Arizona
rear sway bars are not found on real ZR1s
I noticed a big block style rear sway bar. Real ZR1s had a big block style front sway bar but no rear sway bar. This is obviously a clone done by someone who didn't do all of his homework. It's hard to tell from the photos but the pad stamp seems off. It has been polished with something and the pad finish does not appear factory. The photos don't show the front caliper stiffening brackets. The rear sway bar, octane sticker, and alarm all point to it being a clone. I should call it a fake though because the seller is representing it as genuine.
