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As one who was a teenager in the 60's and car crazy I always wanted a Corvette. Flash forward 40 years later and I could finally afford a mid year. I loved my '65 "numbers matching" big block and started going to lots of car shows and winning many awards. It was at a very large show that two self proclaimed NCRS "Master Judges" decided on their own and unsolicited, to point out what they considered wrong with my car. You can imagine my opinion of the NCRS. The '65 ended up in a museum and I purchased a '70 numbers matching car. In spite of my experience with the two NCRS guys; a NCRS Top Flight was always on my "bucket list". In 2013, in spite of my misgivings, I took the '70 to a Regional. Hard to admit that as a retired fighter pilot I was nervous as hell but good or bad, I had to see this through. It's hard to watch 4 teams of national judges pour over your car writing down every little thing and in my mind seeing points fly out the window. But this is where it gets better. My preconceived opinion of NCRS people was changed. Every single judge made a point of taking the time to explain there comments, offer encouragement, help with suggestions as to how to correct items and genuinely care about the hobby. I can say that I met and made a lot of friends at the Judging. Because of this experience I returned in 2015 to another Regional. I came to realize that in any organization there are individuals that may not represent the company, club, etc. in the most positive light. NCRS isn't for everybody but in my case being into originality; it is. When the national team leader and his judges take the time to care about the owner and their car like I observed; I have to appreciate their dedication to the sport. Their incredible knowledge about the cars and willingness to spend their own time and money traveling to these meets hopefully is an omen that the NCRS is in good hands. Just my two cents
Lol, just a little inter-service humor, Stevet38! 30 years ago while in flight school, I had an opportunity to buy an absolutely pristine '67 BB vert. for just a little more than DOUBLE my O-1 salary at the time. Couldn't get anyone to loan me that much money back then! And for what the same would cost today, I probably couldn't get loan for that much either!!
Got any pictures? Would love to see your '65 and '70.
Here's my '70, Mostly original, but keep finding "bubba"-fixes. Far from an NCRS contender. But a joy to have and drive nonetheless!
I have to appreciate their dedication to the sport. Their incredible knowledge about the cars and willingness to spend their own time and money traveling to these meets hopefully is an omen that the NCRS is in good hands. Just my two cents
The organization began to make this transition back in the nineties in a determined effort through its judging training program but as you learned, vestiges of the past remain. Your experience, well detailed describes the before and after.
it seems that original and correct mean the same, as long as it's the right part #
and finish.
Not to get too technical but originality has five elements and include configuration, date, completeness, installation and finish. A part that deviates from original in some form from one of these elements is described in the context of that element rather than termed "incorrect."
NCRS judges are trained to avoid the use of words such as "correct" and "incorrect" which infers a judgement on a component or assembly. If it can't be described or how it deviates from original in one of these elements than its atypical.
be careful I used that as a sig and it upset ncrs guys ( I took it down in the interest of camaraderie and friendship ) even though to me the joke was on me not them....sense of humor? no extra points awarded....
Last edited by The13Bats; Mar 27, 2016 at 04:07 PM.
be careful I used that as a sig and it upset ncrs guys ( I took it down in the interest of camaraderie and friendship ) even though to me the joke was on me not them....sense of humor? no extra points awarded....
Occasionally, words have to spelled out for some .....
The reason for your undesired response to the butchered emblem is a matter of defense. The NCRS has spent a lot of money, unnecessarily, just because of that remade symbol, in legal expenses. Now, if you had to spend huge money each time someone came up with a deflaming sign that impeded on you, how happy would you be...... Get it?
Sense of humor left the building after the first 50k.
Occasionally, words have to spelled out for some .....
The reason for your undesired response to the butchered emblem is a matter of defense. The NCRS has spent a lot of money, unnecessarily, just because of that remade symbol, in legal expenses. Now, if you had to spend huge money each time someone came up with a deflaming sign that impeded on you, how happy would you be...... Get it?
Sense of humor left the building after the first 50k.
This has happened more times than many of us can count. Someone changes an emblem to what they feel suits them. I can think of several now. I feel it is a form of free speech and expression. And if it offends those that believe in the emblem or badge that they cherish...they are entitled to fell offended....but that should not stop those from expression how they feel.
There is going to be NO POSSIBLE way to have every person like a group, club, company, institution or any faction that becomes well know enough and is now under the watchful eye of some people who may not agree with that they represent.
And as for any of these 'groups' spend money for whatever reason..that is their choosing on what they feel is important to them. I guess I would be a bit disgusted if it happened to me...but I am not going to spend more money and then have to do it all over again when the new logo is 'modified' to someone else's taste again....and that is IF I really care about the thoughts of those who did not like my logo.
If I worried about those people who do not like me..I would not be living my live with those who do.
This has happened more times than many of us can count. Someone changes an emblem to what they feel suits them. I can think of several now. I feel it is a form of free speech and expression. And if it offends those that believe in the emblem or badge that they cherish...they are entitled to fell offended....but that should not stop those from expression how they feel.
There is going to be NO POSSIBLE way to have every person like a group, club, company, institution or any faction that becomes well know enough and is now under the watchful eye of some people who may not agree with that they represent.
And as for any of these 'groups' spend money for whatever reason..that is their choosing on what they feel is important to them. I guess I would be a bit disgusted if it happened to me...but I am not going to spend more money and then have to do it all over again when the new logo is 'modified' to someone else's taste again....and that is IF I really care about the thoughts of those who did not like my logo.
If I worried about those people who do not like me..I would not be living my live with those who do.
DUB
Trademarks, patents, and things like copyrights are apparently meaningless in DUBS world?
If someone infringed on my efforts, I'd defend them to the end....My logo belongs to me, no one has the right to copy, use, distribute, alter, etc. without my written permission. Actually is this one was made as a joke, no harm intended. BUT it ended up a much larger problem and huge expense for the NCRS, from what I've learned.
Freedom of speech, that's funny!
Last edited by Don Rickles; Mar 27, 2016 at 07:39 PM.
Occasionally, words have to spelled out for some .....
The reason for your undesired response to the butchered emblem is a matter of defense. The NCRS has spent a lot of money, unnecessarily, just because of that remade symbol, in legal expenses. Now, if you had to spend huge money each time someone came up with a deflaming sign that impeded on you, how happy would you be...... Get it?
Sense of humor left the building after the first 50k.
You really spent that much money on legal expenses over a joke on your logo???? Why bother? Seriously. If you have money problems, making decisions on worrying about a joke on a logo may be one reason. Its just a logo.
Last edited by Shovels and Vettes; Mar 27, 2016 at 10:56 PM.
I hear both war and dub loud and clear,
iwasmenowhesgone:
however, to keep it a bit grounded in my little real world, I grabbed the parody logo off google I didn't design it, but I also had no idea that the pubahs of the NCRS spent over 50K because of that parody logo ....no wonder as another thread pointed out they, ncrs are hurting and there is question which way they will go....because they didn't fix anything after all that $$$ was unnecessarily ...ahem, spent that logo is still all over this forum ( in this thread ) and the internet at one time I recall a cat selling decals and T-shirts I do not care enough to go see if he still is,
That 50K plus could have been spent on events, shows, clinics send members free T-shirts etc etc, man, I can think of so many useful ways to blow over 50K...was that member dues that funded that? did members vote to use funds that way?
I took it down from my sig because while I really didn't see a reason to get offended and still do not people did and that wasn't my purpose in having it there my purpose was and still is to boast the fact I do not own and would not want to own a correctly restored stingray....and I do find it funny because I still get those cats who want to tell me how I should build my car and if I do it my way how I ruined my car.....however,
I do greatly respect those who do desire their stingrays correct....as in the way the factory and in the case the NCRS demands they must be...Some of those ncrs guys are cool cats I have learned a lot from some of them, like I said it's gone from my sig ( but trust me, I get ridiculed in private for taking it down. hence the reason I am making light of it here.)
Curious why was a parody joke logo the hub of such furor, huge expense and large problem for the NCRS..why not laugh it off or just ignore it....please spell more out for me..
Last edited by The13Bats; Mar 27, 2016 at 11:21 PM.
What I don`t understand is the huge division among this large group of enthusiasts. It seems incredibly narrow minded, and counter-productive to say the least.
It`s like saying "I like yellow 1969 Corvette big block 4 speeds.... and if yours is red, or automatic, or a different year.... it`s just worthless junk". I would think a TRUE auto enthusiast would love and appreciate ALL forms of their particular fancy.... be it simply Corvettes, Mopars, bone stock, or highly modified, or whatever.
Surely you can understand the time, the money, the thought, that went into the building of ANY fine automobile WITHOUT having to dismiss it as being wrong if it it doesn`t suit your personal taste.
Maybe it`s just me.... I love ALL old cars, and I don`t care what you did to yours. I just love to look at it, see what you`ve done, and enjoy it. I may never want it in my garage, but that`s what makes this hobby so great....BECAUSE of all the differences!
Some ( I was one ) have the misconception that 100% of the loud mouth curmudgeons spewing tripe that you or me ruined a corvette simply because it's not bone stock are NCRS members this is NOT the case at all.
Most NCRS members have far better things to do with their time than act like dbags to builders of modified corvettes,
I am not saying that their are not members of NCRS who will spew out loud there are but one has to focus on the cat doing the negative spewing not the club they belong to I have seen this range from the loud mouth at a show or cruise most times they rode to the cruise with a buddy in his pos mini van, a jealous loud mouth.
I have seen the irony of forum members who post a modded car for the sole purpose of bashing and trashing it, ( most times the poster has a modded or less than up to par car ) then like lemmings the mullet start jumping to add their trashing comment. no, not every custom is my cup of tea, and I really have a disdain for hack jobs but tacky doesn't make the build bad and I support that cats right to build what ever he desires I guess I too then support some dbags right to post the car just to bash it, but he opened that door for me to frolic. ( I hope he has thick skin...take it as well as dish it out )
When you wonder why some want to spew negativity and cause so much separations within corvette owners start with the ones who are doing it and have the biggest mouths, sure we have all that free speech umbrella and a person can say whatever stupid thing they desire but when those desires surface as degrading belittling negative comments directed at in this case a persons corvette and how they built it then start there, forget what club they belong to for example NCRS as a entity is not responsible for what a member says, start there if those curmudgeons have the right to spew and bash and trash then we have the right to tell them to get a life.
Last edited by The13Bats; Mar 28, 2016 at 10:09 AM.
What I don`t understand is the huge division among this large group of enthusiasts. It seems incredibly narrow minded, and counter-productive to say the least.
It`s like saying "I like yellow 1969 Corvette big block 4 speeds.... and if yours is red, or automatic, or a different year.... it`s just worthless junk". I would think a TRUE auto enthusiast would love and appreciate ALL forms of their particular fancy.... be it simply Corvettes, Mopars, bone stock, or highly modified, or whatever.
Surely you can understand the time, the money, the thought, that went into the building of ANY fine automobile WITHOUT having to dismiss it as being wrong if it it doesn`t suit your personal taste.
Maybe it`s just me.... I love ALL old cars, and I don`t care what you did to yours. I just love to look at it, see what you`ve done, and enjoy it. I may never want it in my garage, but that`s what makes this hobby so great....BECAUSE of all the differences!
I'm sure the vast majority (me included) completely agree with you.
Unfortunately there is a very small minority who don't, and never will..those people don't deserve the attention/energy often given to them.
To each their own..until/unless it affects me negatively.
My NCRS experience
no extra points awarded....
( I hope he has thick skin...take it as well as dish it out ) 
