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Another great weekend ! Top windshield bar and both corners replaced and the passenger side lower outer. I now have a rust free birdcage. From here its no linger birdcage work. Should I continue updating this thread with the rest of the restoration or should I start a new thread . what do you guys think ?
Last edited by ss400rscamaro; Feb 21, 2021 at 11:24 PM.
Looks really good. Yeah, keep us updated, as you progress with the resto. Hopefully, it will be a lot easier, in the future.
One suggestion.....you may want to treat the "inner areas" with some sort of rustproofing material, to preserve these places that won't get painted. I highly recommend a product called 'LPS 3"........
Looks really good. Yeah, keep us updated, as you progress with the resto. Hopefully, it will be a lot easier, in the future.
One suggestion.....you may want to treat the "inner areas" with some sort of rustproofing material, to preserve these places that won't get painted. I highly recommend a product called 'LPS 3"........
Yeah I have been flooding the inside with Eastwood Internal Frame coating.
keep going..! nice pics..weld thru primer. etc..assume later will be prep and final paint in black?
yeah this is where i am not 100% what to do. I am thinking about having the whole cage media blasted then painted with POR15 and then seal any areas with seam sealer. But I dont know if the best idea. I have some people use some kind of body filler on sections of the windshield frame that meet. So I dont know if I should do that first then paint the cage or what... if anyone knows the best way to do this please let me know.
yeah this is where i am not 100% what to do. I am thinking about having the whole cage media blasted then painted with POR15 and then seal any areas with seam sealer. But I dont know if the best idea. I have some people use some kind of body filler on sections of the windshield frame that meet. So I dont know if I should do that first then paint the cage or what... if anyone knows the best way to do this please let me know.
i don't know about 'best' idea.. but if mine i would do the best you can with weld thru primer.. abrade what is not rusted..i would use por 15 as a brush slop in areas hard to reach and or see..especially around repairs..and then clean sand clean and spray epoxy primer the entire cage black, .. then topcoat and UV visible areas with correct black topcoat..and call it done..i would use seam sealer as needed (before topcoat) and tape off for neatness.
your work looks too good to not give it the finish it deserves
Last edited by interpon; Feb 22, 2021 at 11:29 AM.
I agree it should be coated, but I would suggest not brush slopping POR 15 all over the exterior areas. Its just me, and I know its good stuff, but when a person takes the time to make repairs, and blast frames, its a damn shame people brush on POR 15 and make the entire thing look like crap. Use epoxy primers and urethane topcoats for a professional and durable coating. POR 15 was designed to be applied directly to rusty metal. Paint Over Rust......POR. Once you have cleaned everything, with new metal, I don't think its any better than a good epoxy primer in preventing rust. POR wants you to believe that, but I disagree. I would also recommend the Eastwood internal coating to get inside all the steel structures, since you can't really apply epoxy primer and topcoat.
Its been a bit since ive posted. I've been doing more work. I decided to install the removable cross member kit from American Powertrain. I had the vette sand blasted and I decided to paint the the birdcage with por15 then top coat with epoxy paint for the UV protection. Then I prepped the firewall to go back on. I sanded all the old bonding adhesive off and test fitted everything. This past weekend we bonded the firewall back on.
You are doing such a phenomenal job that I almost hate to post this point.
POR15 stands for “paint over rust” it uses a suspended phosphoric acid solution that reacts with the oxygen (ferric oxide) bonded to the steel that is rust. It captures the oxygen atoms holding them inert and forms a hard coating that bonds to the rusted surfaces that is durable, but not UV stable. On non-rusted surfaces it is significantly inferior to a good epoxy primer. EP will bond to clean steel, POR15 will not. In fact, on non-rusted surfaces POR15 scratches easily and I’ve seen it come off in large flakes. I cannot understand this fascination people have with POR15 on non-rusted surfaces. If it were me, I would use a rust converting acid wash on the outside and coat it with EP, then use a product like Eastwood’s internal frame coat to coat as much of the inside of the birdcage as possible.
Anyway, your work is impressive and I admire the process and dedication to doing it right!
You are doing such a phenomenal job that I almost hate to post this point.
POR15 stands for “paint over rust” it uses a suspended phosphoric acid solution that reacts with the oxygen (ferric oxide) bonded to the steel that is rust. It captures the oxygen atoms holding them inert and forms a hard coating that bonds to the rusted surfaces that is durable, but not UV stable. On non-rusted surfaces it is significantly inferior to a good epoxy primer. EP will bond to clean steel, POR15 will not. In fact, on non-rusted surfaces POR15 scratches easily and I’ve seen it come off in large flakes. I cannot understand this fascination people have with POR15 on non-rusted surfaces. If it were me, I would use a rust converting acid wash on the outside and coat it with EP, then use a product like Eastwood’s internal frame coat to coat as much of the inside of the birdcage as possible.
Anyway, your work is impressive and I admire the process and dedication to doing it right!
Oh Im well aware what POR is and have been using it with better results than anything else for a long time. The way I have been prepping metal has been giving me no issues with how POR adheres, It does NOT HAVE to be a rusted surface. Give POR an etched surface (sand basted) and it will grab no problem. Also the stuff is way more scratch/chip resistant than any paint or epoxy. And yes my birdcage and chassis is coated inside with Eastwood's internal frame coating.
This was from an old thread about a guy who had a birdcage like yours and he just bought one of these instead or this was his final repair don't recall which.
This was from an old thread about a guy who had a birdcage like yours and he just bought one of these instead or this was his final repair don't recall which.
That was the plan with the 68 birdcage i had bought but I had a couple conversations with people telling me that unless i can save my original birdcage I should give up on the car. So here we are.
Its been awhile since ive posted. I have rebonded the whole floor back together and patched some other holes in the floor from previous owners. Ive also been getting the body / frame ready to be joined together for the last time. Then i'll start with some exterior fiberglass replacement like my tail light panel. I also cleaned and painted the firewall.
