Very interesting weekend. Short background. A co-owned car has been flight judged 4 times by the NCRS on 4 separate occasions within 3 years. And passed a recent PV in Greenville 2022. My father registered the car (same name) using his NCRS number on all occasions. This is a father and son co-owned car with a legally binding agreement prepared by attorneys. Both family members were physically there for all judging events.

Upon registering the car for NCRS Nationals as a Duntov candidate David Brigham unilaterally decided that the car cannot participate. His decision is that the state registration is in “Sons name”. Despite we were both physically present for each and every judging event. David won’t accept the legally binding agreement, suggested what is a 2 owner car be retitled (making it a 3 owner car, and impossible task with a lienholder), in order for car to be judged.

David won’t accept his failure with all previous judging certificates in which the car earned. NCRS by-laws state “benefit goes to the member” related to judging discrepancies. David independently going against the NCRS by-laws.

NCRS members (father & son) followed all the rules and the mistake to register under titled owner (same name) should have been proof-read by the organization that oversees judging. Had this been picked up with first chapter event, we wouldn’t be where we are today.

Needless to say, both father and son resigned as members of the organization. It is truly unfortunate as I am 40 years old, a younger member of an aging club. My father is an NCRS judge and very active in the hobby/club.

The purpose of the NCRS is to judge cars. Not to rob a father and son of the restoration and preservation of a Duntov award.


Reason: David Brigham has failed his members and took the fun out of the hobby.

 

Main reason I won't deal with these types of organizations.

 

Bloomington Gold is well organized. I’ll continue to frequent their events.

NCRS lost another 10 members (closest friends) today due to this

 

Was absolutely amazed a few months back with the disgusting, childish and petty behaviour at the board meetings where the President Shannon Urton was not supported and ended up resigning.

Efforts to bring in younger participants and more flexible judging classes seem to be resisted by the older generation in control, who, from what i can see want nothing to change.

 

Went to one event. Stuffy, self aggrandizing, narcasitic, narrow minded *****. It turned me off and i went in the exact opposite direction

 

Several members from your area run the organization. But then there are many from elsewhere that are frequent contributors to this forum and, I would like to believe, not of that ilk!

 

I have attended a few NCRS events in the US and found the people to be amazingly friendly and knowledgable.
In the end they love cars and in particular 100% original ones. I can respect that and while there are so many great members.
Unfortunately like any club you get some people who want to control it all or look down their nose at people who don't do it their way.
Hopefully more good people though.

 

I’m 40 years old. One of the few that at one point was motivated to maintain the NCRS car club.

 

[QUOTE=CraigH;1606634311]I have attended a few NCRS events in the US and found the people to be amazingly friendly and knowledgable.
In the end they love cars and in particular 100% original ones. I can respect that and while there are so many great members.
Unfortunately like any club you get some people who want to control it all or look down their nose at people who don't do it their way.
Hopefully more good people though.[/QUOTE

We’ve met tremendous people over the years through the club and our friendships will be maintained.

 

Glad I’m too busy driving and working on my car to deal with this kind of 7th grade drama…

 

I would have nothing to do with them or their nonsense. In many cases they have lost sight of their purpose or intent. And what happens is some previously abused child gets power in this type organization and ruins it for many.

 

Not even the President of the organization can overrule a judgment decision of the National Judging Chairman, David Brigham. This is verbatim from the NCRS official.

 

Do they have a rule specifically stating that any car under consideration must be registered in the name of the person entering it into the judging event?

 

So sorry to hear this.

What is the precise language of the title? I don’t see how a state-issued legal title document is open to interpretation. Son only? Father only? Father and son? It’s not clear to me, from the original post, what the title document actually says, or why the person/s whose name/s is/are on title can’t register.

If title is held in the son’s name only, why can’t the son register the car for judging? What, exactly, is the impediment?

There is still time for the actual registered owner to register for judging at the NCRS national convention:

https://www.ncrs.org/convention/judging.php



I haven’t dealt with anyone at the national NCRS level yet, and am highly unlikely to do so as I have no intention of getting my largely original small block engine car restored, or going through the judging process. I bought my car to drive and enjoy. My car’s Protect O Plate and tank build sheet are long gone, and I’m never going to get rid of its vintage Hurst shifter.

My recently-purchased ‘69 coupe is my first ever vintage car, and, as many of you can easily figure out from my posts, I’m not a “wrencher.” I joined our local NCRS chapter to meet fellow Corvette enthusiasts, because, I think, being part of the broader Corvette community and local car culture plays a huge role in making classic Corvette ownership fun (especially when one’s spouse doesn’t have the same level of Corvette obsession).

I have found the members of my local chapter to be very friendly, down to earth, and not just helpful, but very generous with their time in helping me fix various things on my car, or providing advice. I get far, far more out of being a member of our local chapter than I put into it. We enjoy our local community; I have no idea what the politics are at the national level.

 

Thanks for posting this idiotic nonsense purported my NCRS. While my car is not a candidate to be judge, they have certainly convinced me to never join the organization, or even spend a dime on anything they sell.

 

My local chapter is tremendous, and full of wonderful people who are down to earth, friends of ours, and we will remain friends. This “National”, independent decision by David Brigham, is a gigantic disservice to the car itself. The reason for our NCRS membership was for preservation and restoration of corvettes.

Myself and Father have the same name. Title has a Roman numeral II

 

Maybe he can respond here, given this forum is the biggest and best Corvette forum out there…….waiting…..

 

that would be fantastic and I would encourage him. But I doubt it.

 

I can relate…my mom and I had the same name.

So, title is held in son’s name only? What specific reason was given as to why the son only, as title owner, can’t submit the car for judging? I’m still missing something.

I don’t know any of the specific rules, except generally that the title owner is the one to submit the car for judging. Is the issue at the national level that they are interpreting the rule wrong, or that they are interpreting the rule correctly but in a stricter fashion than at the lower level(s)?

Was a particular course of action to correct this issue suggested? Or, is the car wholly ineligible for judging at the national level?

Your original post also mentioned something about a 2-owner car versus a 3-owner car. Again, because I’m new to classic Corvette ownership (and certainly my car isn’t at your car’s level condition-wise or value-wise), I don’t understand why the number of owners matters as regards to having the car submitted for judging. What is the relevance of this issue? I think I’m something like the 8th owner of my car, and as far as I know, if I show up to an NCRS judging event with clean title in my name, I’m good to go. Title in someone else’s name, turned away.

You’ve come this far, and perhaps it’s my optimistic side hoping that something can be addressed before the June 1 deadline. I would love to have this story have a happy ending!

 

In summary, owners (myself and dad, same name) were notified after passing 3 prerequisites in quest for a Duntov award, that a mistake was made using the incorrect NCRS number on registration.

Both myself and father have contributed much more to the car club than the average member who just show up, pay fees, and have a car judged. My father is a judge and I have promoted the organization.

We are friends with the President and he knows the car from day 1. We are a member of his local Chapter.

David Brigham is the Judging chairman and has the power to make executive decisions. As members we went up the chain of command to find out all other members of leadership are powerless. Dictatorships practice the same principals