This is the picture from the BJ website and someone blurred the name on the side of the trailer on purpose. I wonder why? Also looks like Ohio License plates in the pics.

 

I talked to a friend of my father’s who is related to a guy that owned a classic Mustang. Years ago, BJ contacted him because they heard he had a pristine Mustang. They told him they wanted to have it put up for auction and that it would not be sold, but bid up. The purpose was to assist with the inflation of the classic car market. Some things may not make sense for a reason, just my opinion.

 

 

 

I agree with you totally, Paul.
I do not condone forgeries.
However, without incident information coming to light, the forgery may
never have been detected. Who knows.
IMO - the seller is dragging the good name of the NCRS through the mud with this.
sad

 

How? There is no mention of NCRS in connection with this car.

 

Doe's anybody recognize the car trailer in the BJ photo ?

 

I dont know about the trailer, but the setting and the building in the background remind me of the pictures on the xxxxx website. (edit - I am a bad detective!) I'm not saying it isxxxxxx, just that the pics remind me of it, including the red pickup truck. But you cannot tell from the pics alone that it is xxxxxx. Barrett Jackson knows who the seller was, and "Keith" knows who he sold his car to. The description in the BJ auction is very carefully worded, to the point where I am not sure the buyer would actually have a legal claim. The work was likely done by people that have a lot of experience with vettes, working on them, restoring them, making "conversions", access to the parts and knowledge of the numbers.

BJ sells many cars that are described as "clones" or "re-creations". I think something like this hurts the reputation of the auction house more than anyone. Some fairly simple research could likely clear up any mystery. Keith could confirm who he sold the car to and BJ knows who sold it at their auction. Any investigative reporters out there?

 

Not the same car but something is the same in both pics

 

the truck w/ flames.....

 

Yep. The first pic is one found on the internet. The second is from BJ website. :o

 

Interesting...

By the way, the URL for the first pic makes it pretty easy to trace it back to the seller...

Even more interesting for me is that I looked on their lot when shopping for a vette!

 

Well like someone said earlier maybe its just a typo?

 

Thanks!! see, I had the wrong shop!!

here is another pic from the BJ auction site:

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and here is another pic from the same dealer.. pretty clearly the same building in the background.

 

LINK

 

Twin Turbo is right. I live about 4 miles from this dealer. I also regularly attend the Barrett Jackson auction in Scottsdale (not as a buyer, just a looker). The dealer represents themselves as religious, honest people and I have never heard anything bad about them. They have some nice cars at about 20% more than what they are worth.

As far as Barret-Jackson goes, the auctioneer only knows what he is told. The auctioneer is probably selling tobacco the next day and knows nothing about tobacco (other than what he is told). If people want to buy an expensive car without investigation, that is unfortunate but (as they say), a fool and his money are soon parted.

 

Absolutely not. People who have experience selling 1960's to early 1970 muscle cars, like Barrett-Jackson, know that there are a lot of counterfeits out there. You can read about that in a lot of car magazines. To tell me that people selling these cars are oblivious to the problem is not believable. Since these auctioneers know the cars are possibly counterfeit (or stolen) they have an obligation to make some checks to verify authenticity. If they don't want to verify authenticity or legal status, they an obligation warn potential buyers with a pre-bidding warning that they cannot verify that the cars are authentic, etc.

..Of course, people who are going to spend $163,000 on a car need to know what they're doing, also. Probably someone who has $163,000 to spend on a car that's basically going to be a show car and hanger queen, is also a person who has a lot of discretionary cash. Actually maybe the buyer of this car is very happy with the car. It looks like it's a nice car. For someone who is very wealthy the difference between a $163,000 car and a $16,300 car is only just the extra effort that it takes to put an extra 0 on the check. It's a struggle to protect the world from fraudulent people and it's also hard to protect the world from people who aren't careful. But I do agree that if this was a counterfeit car or a car who's VIN had ownership problems, that things should be made right.

 

Maybe we should invite the dealer to respond?

 

How do we know the original(supposed) yellow, small block was original. Its possible that it was black 427 car. Just a thought. Let the dealer have his say.

 

By "auctioneer", I mean the person who is calling the auction. They are reading copy given to them. This is exactly what people see on TV. The "auctioneer" may know nothing at all about cars and, if he does, his opinion about the authenticity of the cars is NOT what his employer told him to read. For an "auctioneer" to volunteer his opinion about a car is career suicide.

The "auctioner" (in this case B-J). B-J probably should represent these cars better but has signed waivers from the owners (no reserve contract).

Also, many bidders are also sellers. What you see is people with a lot of money "trading" their overpriced sale for an overpriced purchase.

I am by no means defending mine or anyones position here. This is only my observation.