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Old Jun 16, 2007 | 11:41 AM
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I am a beginner welder and when I tried to weld the frame at the top header all it would do is burn right through. I have a lincoln 180 pro mig, setting was A, speed was 1 to 1.25 gas.
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Old Jun 16, 2007 | 02:09 PM
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That is some very light sheet metal you are tying to weld. You don't state your wire size but you need a .023" wire, maybe even a powdered metal core wire to help you out, and the proper setting on your welder. I have a Miller but I assume that this is a very low setting on your Lincoln. I would practice on some similar gage sheet metal for a few hours first until you get the hang of welding "beer can thick" sheet metal.
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Old Jun 16, 2007 | 05:19 PM
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I'm not sure that that is the best place to practice welding for a beginner. Maybe you can find someone locally who will help you learn while fixing the damage?
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Are you using flux? Get gas and solid wire. .23 would be best for that. I believe that takes 7mm tips
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Old Jun 16, 2007 | 05:48 PM
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The metal is .040" thick if I recall. I cut out the rot to about the size of a quarter, fit a new piece of sheet metal in and welded it. You're running too hot, is that the lowest setting on your machine?
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Old Jun 16, 2007 | 05:50 PM
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Also, are you trying to weld severly rusted metal? You will not be able to weld metal that has almost rusted thru. You need to cut off any damaged metal until you get to an undamaged area.
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Old Jun 16, 2007 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Yellow73SB
Are you using flux? Get gas and solid wire. .23 would be best for that. I believe that takes 7mm tips
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The metal is .040" thick if I recall. I cut out the rot to about the size of a quarter, fit a new piece of sheet metal in and welded it. You're running too hot, is that the lowest setting on your machine?
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Also, are you trying to weld severly rusted metal? You will not be able to weld metal that has almost rusted thru. You need to cut off any damaged metal until you get to an undamaged area.
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Old Jun 16, 2007 | 06:37 PM
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X4, AND you are tackling the hardest part of any auto resto there is in the world....you do THAT right, and you can weld anything....

damn near.....on a CAR anyway....
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There are some very good welding instructional DVDs available. I think my dad got his from Northern Tool. One of the best non-technical instruction demonstrations of sheet metal repair that I've ever seen was on an episode of Stacey David's new show on ESPN2 - he was repairing the rocker channels on an old Ford Bronco owned by Ted Nugent. From a structural standpoint, it's similar to the windshield frame on a Corvette.
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One more point, those A,B,C,D heat settings require some adjustment to torch speed from the operator, just another trick that a little experience and practice teaches. Use some metal the same approximate thickness to practice on, like scrap exhaust pipe pieces (new pipe), and run some beads down the length. If you burn through, speed up your hand. If the weld doesn't penetrate, and on the "A" setting I think this would be the most likely scenario, switch to a hotter setting but maintain the previous hand speed that didn't penetrate well with the previous heat setting.

You need to learn to adjust your hand speeds, as well as heat settings, my guess is you're moving that torch too slowly, you can burn through even on the "A" setting if you're going too slow.

Follow the recommended heat settings for the various metal thicknesses, and if you burn through speed up you hand.

My welder says a heat setting of "C" and a wire speed of 4-5 for 18ga (.048") metal using .025" wire and gas.

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I wonder if he can use a copper backing plate to get it from falling through.
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Old Jun 17, 2007 | 10:21 PM
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thanks to everyone or your help , its done not a pretty job but funtional.
Lowest setting and with a feed rate of 1.25 wire with argon/co mix wire size .025
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