10-11 second quater
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St. Jude Donor '08-'09
I've emailed him and will call him probably next week. That engine looks great, but I wasn't sure if that's too much for the stock rear end. 588 torque is a lot to me and I would just think I'd have to beef up a lot of stuff to take that. Am I right or wrong? If the stock stuff could handle this engine, I'd get it in a second. The other engine here on the forum looks great too. I have to sell my other car before I can buy one (wife directed), so until then I have time to keep researching. But as soon as that car sales, I'm pulling the trigger! Thoughts on either of these engines w/ a stock rear end and street tires?
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I'm already planning on getting a TKO-600, so the tranny will be ok. However, I don't want to spend $6K on a rear end, so I guess I'll keep looking. Do you think 450-500 is a safe range for the stock rear end? I don't mind upgrading certain parts: BlackRat recommended replacing all the U joints w/ Brute Force solid non-greasables, which in combo w/ street tires should keep the rear end safe. Makes sense, but even still I don't want to push it and have a $6K "fund necessity" on my hands after a few weeks or months of driving the car when I'm done w/ the engine/tranny install.
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From: Millington Illinois
St. Jude Donor '08-'09
I'm already planning on getting a TKO-600, so the tranny will be ok. However, I don't want to spend $6K on a rear end, so I guess I'll keep looking. Do you think 450-500 is a safe range for the stock rear end? I don't mind upgrading certain parts: BlackRat recommended replacing all the U joints w/ Brute Force solid non-greasables, which in combo w/ street tires should keep the rear end safe. Makes sense, but even still I don't want to push it and have a $6K "fund necessity" on my hands after a few weeks or months of driving the car when I'm done w/ the engine/tranny install.
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I'd say my driving habits would be "normal" w/ occasional "stomping on the pedal." It's really impossible to quantify, but I'm not going to the strip and besides the occasional "let see what this can do" (obviously w/in reason 
), the driving should be fairly normal...probably more like cruising. There's only one highway by my house anyways that I'd even have an opportunity to open it up, so a lot of driving will be more residential/town areas w/ "getting on it" here and there when I'm getting on the highway. Point is, I'll probably only drive the car a few days a week at most (weather permitting) and the majority will NOT be opening it up 100% and seeing what I can do. So, does that help at all in a ballpark assessment of how the car will hold up to a 450-500HP engine?
EDIT: Quick google yield this: Denny's Driveshaft
The first set (3in) or second set (3.5in/aluminum) come w/ 1350 spicers (non-greaseable). Would those (or similar) make a big difference on what the rear end could take? I don't mind spending $5-700 to beef up the rear end enough, but I'd really like to avoid beyond that if possible.
), the driving should be fairly normal...probably more like cruising. There's only one highway by my house anyways that I'd even have an opportunity to open it up, so a lot of driving will be more residential/town areas w/ "getting on it" here and there when I'm getting on the highway. Point is, I'll probably only drive the car a few days a week at most (weather permitting) and the majority will NOT be opening it up 100% and seeing what I can do. So, does that help at all in a ballpark assessment of how the car will hold up to a 450-500HP engine?EDIT: Quick google yield this: Denny's Driveshaft
The first set (3in) or second set (3.5in/aluminum) come w/ 1350 spicers (non-greaseable). Would those (or similar) make a big difference on what the rear end could take? I don't mind spending $5-700 to beef up the rear end enough, but I'd really like to avoid beyond that if possible.
Last edited by FlyViper; May 29, 2008 at 11:32 PM.
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From: Millington Illinois
St. Jude Donor '08-'09
I'd say my driving habits would be "normal" w/ occasional "stomping on the pedal." It's really impossible to quantify, but I'm not going to the strip and besides the occasional "let see what this can do" (obviously w/in reason ), the driving should be fairly normal...probably more like cruising. There's only one highway by my house anyways that I'd even have an opportunity to open it up, so a lot of driving will be more residential/town areas w/ "getting on it" here and there when I'm getting on the highway. Point is, I'll probably only drive the car a few days a week at most (weather permitting) and the majority will NOT be opening it up 100% and seeing what I can do. So, does that help at all in a ballpark assessment of how the car will hold up to a 450-500HP engine?
), the driving should be fairly normal...probably more like cruising. There's only one highway by my house anyways that I'd even have an opportunity to open it up, so a lot of driving will be more residential/town areas w/ "getting on it" here and there when I'm getting on the highway. Point is, I'll probably only drive the car a few days a week at most (weather permitting) and the majority will NOT be opening it up 100% and seeing what I can do. So, does that help at all in a ballpark assessment of how the car will hold up to a 450-500HP engine?
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I will NEVER power shift. A friend showed me how in a previous car, and while it worked, it felt so wrong to me that I never did it again. Guess I wouldn't make anything of a true drag racer, but like I've said, that's not what I'm trying to do with this car. Thanks for all the help mako and everyone else, I greatly appreciate it! Beers on me if we ever meet.
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Street tires make all the difference in the world.. If there's too much shock on street tires, they spin.. It's SHOCK (in combination with traction) that kills rear ends and not horsepower. Sure, you can install a 1000 HP engine on 215/70R15 tires and you won't break anything as the tires will spin before breaking anything. Traction is the #1 cause for rear end failure. Sure, with enough horsepower and street tires, you can run very fast without breaking stuff BUT you'll need a TON more horsepower to get the same ET's.. A 550 HP engine is a lot cheaper than a 700 HP engine etc... I ran mid 11's with only 465 HP (365 RWHP) because I ran slicks and got 60' times in the 1.5x range. That's why my rear ends didn't last too long.. I've seen as fast as 1.43 60' times with the stock differential with AUTOMATIC cars but I haven't seen a differential that held up for more than 50 runs with 60' times like that.
