Hydrogen generaters ?
Racer
Joined: Mar 2005
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From: southeast Idaho
A friend has been messing with them, he sells and has installed them on a dozen different cars and pickups, including diesels. The one he sales is a "brick" type that uses a vinegar solution for the electrolyte. He has seen maybe 3 mpg increase with them on average. One problem he has run in to is with fuel injected engines both gas and diesel is the o2 senser gives an off reading with the hydrogen and I think computer needs to be tweaked to be able to make the best of the gas. It seems to me that better results might be had by the back yard mechanic with a carburetor setup than fuel injection. Here are a couple of links to home made hydrogen generators.
http://www.waterpoweredcar.com/hydrobooster.html
http://www.water4gas.com/index.php?o...d=51&Itemid=55
This is the one my buddy sales and installs.
http://www.fuelfromh2o.com/hhogenerators.php
http://www.waterpoweredcar.com/hydrobooster.html
http://www.water4gas.com/index.php?o...d=51&Itemid=55
This is the one my buddy sales and installs.
http://www.fuelfromh2o.com/hhogenerators.php
Burning Brakes
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From: belle plaine ks
Most of these hydrogen systems make electricity out of separating hydrogen and oxygen. Burning pure hydrogen in a engine is next to impossible, because the flame propagation of the hydrogen gas is extremely fast causing backfires and the backwards travel of the flame with disastrous consequences. At least that is what is happening with the neighbors project on a small block v8. I understand BMW tried it and did not have much luck either. The jar systems advertised have been debunked on local tv as not working. The basic premise is that they add hydrogen to gasoline in an effort to make the vehicle more fuel efficient. I hope someday they succeed in making hydrogen work and work safely. But I don't think what is out there right now is viable.
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From: Lenoir City Tennessee
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This is basically what is going on with the one I saw in action. The fellow was using hydrogen along with the gas in his carb. He had a hard time starting the van but I think that was more of a timing issue than anything else. He had no hard data as to how much it was or was not helping as he was on his first tank of gas with the setup. I have not ran into him again. If I see him I will be sure to ask more questions as it intrigued me that day and still does.
Drifting
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Spending a dollar to make 10 cents worth of hydrogen is not money well spent.
Le Mans Master
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From: Santa Ana CA
I've been driving with hydrogen-generating cars and motorcycles since day 1.
It's actually a fairly simple system called, "charging the battery." I've just not found a way to collect and use this hydrogen.
It's actually a fairly simple system called, "charging the battery." I've just not found a way to collect and use this hydrogen.
Le Mans Master
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From: Santa Ana CA
LA Times did an article on the hydrogen Honda a few days ago. They said it is the most expensive car that they have ever tested, coming in at about $2 million a piece (which is partiaily why they are leased and not sold). That's about $1/2 million more than the Bugatti. They also found that the Tesla costs less than half the price to operate at a far greater level of performance.
The whole concept to to meet the California demand for a certain percentage of the cars to run on alternate fuels.
The whole concept to to meet the California demand for a certain percentage of the cars to run on alternate fuels.
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Melting Slicks
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From: meraux LA
IMO we will never see anything that gets 50 -100mpg as long as our federal govt. gets .14cents/gallon of fuel purchased in the US.
Now if you pay attention to the issue of road usage taxes,I.e we being taxed on every mile we drive. Once the govt starts taxing us on our miles driven per year, then we will start to see some meaningfull increases on vehicle's MPG.
Now if you pay attention to the issue of road usage taxes,I.e we being taxed on every mile we drive. Once the govt starts taxing us on our miles driven per year, then we will start to see some meaningfull increases on vehicle's MPG.
Melting Slicks
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From: meraux LA
Now if your are using solar, Then that's a different.
IMHO
Melting Slicks
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From: Salmon Arm, BC
I have purchaced all the materials (about $100 can.) to make a " browns gas" booster, but have been to busy to put it all together. If you youtube/google "Smacksbooster" you'll find a whole evenings worth of video clips to watch. Its pretty interesting stuff to tinker with I'm sure,and if I ever get mine working I post the results.
Melting Slicks
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Once the govt starts taxing us on our miles driven per year, then we'll start to see some meaniful increases in odometer tampering
IMO we will never see anything that gets 50 -100mpg as long as our federal govt. gets .14cents/gallon of fuel purchased in the US.
Now if you pay attention to the issue of road usage taxes,I.e we being taxed on every mile we drive. Once the govt starts taxing us on our miles driven per year, then we will start to see some meaningfull increases on vehicle's MPG.
Now if you pay attention to the issue of road usage taxes,I.e we being taxed on every mile we drive. Once the govt starts taxing us on our miles driven per year, then we will start to see some meaningfull increases on vehicle's MPG.
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From: Twin Cities Minnesota
Cost per mile for a pre electric car is less than a gasoline powered car.
The battery replacement costs are the big issue that ruins it for batteries. But ignoring that elephant, electric is significantly cheaper.
ALSo, all of your polution is now generated in one place that is well monitored and regulated, vs 10000's of cars in various states of mistune
The battery replacement costs are the big issue that ruins it for batteries. But ignoring that elephant, electric is significantly cheaper.
ALSo, all of your polution is now generated in one place that is well monitored and regulated, vs 10000's of cars in various states of mistune
Race Director
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From: Millington Illinois
St. Jude Donor '08-'09
Well the webite I referenced earlier says a 25 to 60% increase in fuel economy. a signifigant boost in octane, a colder air charge, smooths out your idle. reduces carbon deposits. reduces emissions. Sound like a great addition to an L88.
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a former student showed me his system on his mitsubishi... looked like a smart and simple setup
a former student showed me his system on his mitsubishi... looked like a smart and simple setup
Melting Slicks
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From: Meriden CT
WOW,
I thought there would be some open minded thoughts here but it seems as though
most have not looked at any recent info across the web. We have put
to much trust into are governments and our auto makers when we/you believe
that we would have things better if they (gov. and auto makers) thought it was better for us.
This is why there are more followers than their are leaders in this world, most people
believe that what is given to you is the truth and don't bother to check it out for them selfs.
I have spent some time researching hydrogen generators and have found some impressive
stuff from around the world. I hope to gather more info and maybe even give some of it a try.
Its not that expensive to put to gather a system that would give you a
sizable savings. Most, if not all parts are obtainable from your local hardware
store.
At first I thought, YEA RIGHT if its so good then why haven't they ????? BLA,BLA,BLA.
Giving it some thought from what I have so far read and seen it makes perfect sense
as to why the government is not pursuing this, how in the world would they be able to
tax it, if we all had a hydrogen generator system in our cars and trucks, lowering the use
of gas and diesel. The tax dollars would dwindle down to nothing, putting less money
in the governments hands.
I know I sound like a crack pot but with what I have found in a few short
hours I have given some real consideration, if nothing else I have learned
more about hydrogen then I knew before.
If anybody would like to have a look (or entertain your selfs) do a search
on hydrogen generators and see some of the interesting stuff
thats available to all of us view.
Still looking for more feed back, Thanks.
Riggs.
I thought there would be some open minded thoughts here but it seems as though
most have not looked at any recent info across the web. We have put
to much trust into are governments and our auto makers when we/you believe
that we would have things better if they (gov. and auto makers) thought it was better for us.
This is why there are more followers than their are leaders in this world, most people
believe that what is given to you is the truth and don't bother to check it out for them selfs.
I have spent some time researching hydrogen generators and have found some impressive
stuff from around the world. I hope to gather more info and maybe even give some of it a try.
Its not that expensive to put to gather a system that would give you a
sizable savings. Most, if not all parts are obtainable from your local hardware
store.
At first I thought, YEA RIGHT if its so good then why haven't they ????? BLA,BLA,BLA.
Giving it some thought from what I have so far read and seen it makes perfect sense
as to why the government is not pursuing this, how in the world would they be able to
tax it, if we all had a hydrogen generator system in our cars and trucks, lowering the use
of gas and diesel. The tax dollars would dwindle down to nothing, putting less money
in the governments hands.
I know I sound like a crack pot but with what I have found in a few short
hours I have given some real consideration, if nothing else I have learned
more about hydrogen then I knew before.
If anybody would like to have a look (or entertain your selfs) do a search
on hydrogen generators and see some of the interesting stuff
thats available to all of us view.
Still looking for more feed back, Thanks.
Riggs.
As someone else mentioned, there is no conspiracy to keep us from building and using hydrogen generators, if they worked someone would build and sell them by the millions. The hydrogen cars like the one Honda built work with fuel cells, an electric generator that uses hydrogen.
Race Director
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From: Millington Illinois
St. Jude Donor '08-'09
You're right, you do sound like a crackpot. Tax dollars are collected from a lot of other sources than federal taxes on fuel. I have both a federal and state income tax, sales tax, property tax, capital gains tax. They have plenty of opportunity to get money out of me.
As someone else mentioned, there is no conspiracy to keep us from building and using hydrogen generators, if they worked someone would build and sell them by the millions. The hydrogen cars like the one Honda built work with fuel cells, an electric generator that uses hydrogen.
As someone else mentioned, there is no conspiracy to keep us from building and using hydrogen generators, if they worked someone would build and sell them by the millions. The hydrogen cars like the one Honda built work with fuel cells, an electric generator that uses hydrogen.
Racer
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From: portland or
the people who make the most money nowadays are who?
gas companies.
and whats the quickest way for them to stop making money?
make something that doesnt use as much gas.
whats the easiest way to to stomp the competition?
buy the technology and shelf it
thats what exxon did with multiple electric car companies in the past.
anyone know tesla? anyone know his accomplishments with electricity?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla
check out this quote straight from wikipedia:
Originally Posted by wikipedia
Tesla is often described as the most important scientist and inventor of the modern age, a man who "shed light over the face of Earth".[3] He is best known for many revolutionary contributions in the field of electricity and magnetism in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Tesla's patents and theoretical work formed the basis of modern alternating current electric power (AC) systems, including the polyphase power distribution systems and the AC motor, with which he helped usher in the Second Industrial Revolution. Contemporary biographers of Tesla have regarded him as "The Father of Physics", "The man who invented the twentieth century"[4] and "the patron saint of modern electricity.
After his demonstration of wireless communication (radio) in 1894 and after being the victor in the "War of Currents", he was widely respected as one of the greatest electrical engineers who worked in America.[6] Much of his early work pioneered modern electrical engineering and many of his discoveries were of groundbreaking importance. During this period, in the United States, Tesla's fame rivaled that of any other inventor or scientist in history or popular culture,[7] but due to his eccentric personality and his seemingly unbelievable and sometimes bizarre claims about possible scientific and technological developments, Tesla was ultimately ostracized and regarded as a mad scientist.
After his demonstration of wireless communication (radio) in 1894 and after being the victor in the "War of Currents", he was widely respected as one of the greatest electrical engineers who worked in America.[6] Much of his early work pioneered modern electrical engineering and many of his discoveries were of groundbreaking importance. During this period, in the United States, Tesla's fame rivaled that of any other inventor or scientist in history or popular culture,[7] but due to his eccentric personality and his seemingly unbelievable and sometimes bizarre claims about possible scientific and technological developments, Tesla was ultimately ostracized and regarded as a mad scientist.
the guy made tons of discoveries and inventions and yet, i learned about him by reading books from UKRAINE (my country of origin). they even wiped him from the history books in the U.S. there was a brief 1/4 page description of who he was and stuff but seriously, 1/4 page for someone with as many accomplishments as him? psh.
we hear about edison all the time, he is the person who brought forth DC electricity (theres AC and DC, alternating and direct currents). DC is what we use in batteries etc, AC is the stuff we get thats powering our computers and everything else... tesla did ALOT of work with AC current yet still, no mention :\
i say, live your life, do what u want but DONT **** off the gas/electricity/drug companies
Originally Posted by wikipedia
Tesla claims he was offered US$50,000 (~ US$1.1 million in 2007, adjusted for inflation)[30] if he redesigned Edison's inefficient motor and generators, making an improvement in both service and economy. Tesla said he worked night and day on the project and gave the Edison Company several profitable new patents in the process. In 1885 when Tesla inquired about the payment for his work, Edison replied, "Tesla, you don't understand our American humor," thus breaking his word