How about a picture or something of the one you built. I went to the site you recommended and have my own opinion but I'd love to see yours with some evidence of the effectiveness. Maybe you could also explain the hookup methodology also.

Thanks

 

Top,
would have put a pic of the one that I built but don't know how on the forum. The hook up on mine is simple pos. to the wire from the alternator and neg. to the body. you can see producing the gas' at once then you hook it up to a bubler to clean the gas' and route to the air intake source right before the throttle body on fuel inj. engines. really quite simple. the hard part it making it a good seal and then starting the vehicle to make sure it's working and watch your MPG increase and tweak it to get as much MPG as you can.I couldn't believe it really worked when I installed it, but I had to find out for myself and now i know it does.
Rich

 

Top,
would have put a pic of the one that I built but don't know how on the forum. The hook up on mine is simple pos. to the wire from the alternator and neg. to the body. you can see producing the gas' at once then you hook it up to a bubler to clean the gas' and route to the air intake source right before the throttle body on fuel inj. engines. really quite simple. the hard part it making it a good seal and then starting the vehicle to make sure it's working and watch your MPG increase and tweak it to get as much MPG as you can.I couldn't believe it really worked when I installed it, but I had to find out for myself and now i know it does.
Rich

 

Sorry, I don't see this as possible. If you went from 12MPG to 28MPG you are still burning gasoline, right? How can there only be water vapor out of the exhaust? What happened to the CO2, CO, hyrdocarbons, oxides of nitrogen from the gasoline?

 

Please do!

 

SH,
the hho mix burns so hot that it helps to burn all the gas that is in the engine and that way there are no noxious gases left to be emitted
Yes I am still burning the gas but it is mixed with HHO and that way you use less gas and get better MPG more power from the engine and all thst is left to come out the tailpipe is water because the HHO turns back to water when it mixes with the gasoline. I'm not a rocket scientist just a fuy that likes to build things and don't belive everything everybody tells me or that just because it's written in a text book somewhere that it's the gospel, if the Wright Bros had felt that way we'd all still be takin the train today, Right
Rich
Talk to R. Woods he knows I'm not some crackpot, at least not yet.

 

I built one and use it in tandem with mythe Phluxcapacitor. Now excuse me as I must get back to the future!

 

But you won't provide proof, so

 

That's probably why you don't have planes in Canada,lol

 

The post is from a forum member with over 400 posts. How would he prove to you this works? Your in Canada he is in CA. The guy says he built 10 of these in the last 2 years. Has he done this to entertain himself? Also says it improved his mileage substatially. Is he a liar? Are you calling him a liar? What motivation would he have to lie?
There are hydrogen generators. The technology does exist. The hydrogen improves the efficency of the combustion process. It burns hotter and more completely producing more power and more efficency + more mpg putting out less emissions because of it.
Look at a carburated 400 HP car. Say it gets 15 MPG. Same car, same 400 HP but replace the carb with fuel injection that being the only change. Now it gets over 20 MPG. Is that impossible? No, it still burns gas, nothing has changed except you have made the engine more efficent. It uses more electricity just like the hydrogen generator but it is more than offset by the gains in efficency. It also produces less emissions.
Same with modern combustion chamber design. Take a 350 HP engine, replace the 30 year old heads with modern heads with the same intake port size. The car gains power and probably MPG. You have just made the combustion process more efficent.
Same with computerized timing advance. It is sets the timing at exactly where it needs to be to produce the best power with the least emissions or more complete combustion = better MPG. Physics says more complete combustion of the fuel = more mpg, more power or both and fewer emissions. The car companies have been making these changes for over 40 years. The L88 had 500 HP and got 9 MPG. The new Z06 makes 500 HP and gets 25 MPG.
I have never had a hydrogen generator or known anyone with one. But looking at the physics I can see where it has the potential to do what is claimed by so many. Simple physics.

 

Not any physics I've ever heard of.

 

You, of all people should be grasping this. You have fuel injection on your car. Does it get better mileage? I don't even have to ask. The answer is yes. Does it have more power? Why do you think your car seen an increase in MPG over a carb even though now you have to produce more electricity to run your computer? You have aluminum heads with a modern chamber design. Does it have more power? Did it affect your MPG? Did the power increase more than offset the fuel use increase if any?
Might want to reread the post. Tried to explain, I guess I will have to repeat. More complete combustion in the cylinder (efficency)= More power and or MPG. Simple physics.................Again!

 

63MAKO,
I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR HELPING ME CLEAR UP THE ISSUE.
You put it a lot better than I ever could and I will tell you it does work on any type of engine. Everybody says it takes more energy to produce the HHO than it provides but that's not the issue since any xtra juice the Alt produces is just wasted anyhow. Some people just lack common sense I guess. Heres to ya
Rich

 

lets take one more look

 

I think the skepticism comes from the claim of a 128% improvement in fuel economy attributed solely to this generator. Fuel injection in an engine achieves the improvements you mention through computer control of timing and fuel delivery, the computer can adjust the engine parameters 100s of times per second or so.

If the user does nothing but add trace quantities of a reactive gas it hardly seems reasonable to accept such astounding claims. Could it improve economy, I suppose it could sure, but if these gasses are added they would certainly have to displace gasoline from the A/F mixture, how is this achieved? what ratio of hydrogen to gasoline is used?

A 128% improvement without any change to jetting? or timing? seems very unlikely to me. Were there no changes in driving habits? were there no other changes made at the same time that could account for a portion of the improvement?

I'd happily install such a unit if I felt confident that the system works as claimed. In fact I notice the person live here in San diego as do I. How about helping me make my own and I'll judge for myself.

 

Interesting. You can email me if you wish and attach a picture and I'll post it for you or just go to photobucket.com and you can post it yourself.

 

63mako,

Thank you for your inputs, you seem to have a lot of Patience to deal with folks that
seem to disagree, to just disagree. My comment from my earlier post has proved to be
true. Narrow minded people will not look to seek more than they think they already know,
they will continue to believe that they have learned all they need to, thus make them
a know it all. Ive learned a long time ago that no matter how smart, or good you think
you are, there well always be someone that is more knowledgeable than you.


Through my research I have found that there is indeed some snake oils out there,
but when you search much deeper, and compare all the gathered information you
will find that it does seem possible to make a Hydrogen generator that will produce
fuel savings. If you build with the proper materials to achieve a good output of gas
and use a Effie(? misspelled) system to alter the O2 sensor, you will see improved gas
mileage, Yes you still use gasoline, just not as much. From all that I have explored
I can see building a very decent system for a few hundred bucks.
Why not ,at least I then can say I tried it, instead of just being another nay sayer.

By the way I picked this tech/performance forum because it is about combustion engines,
and the last time I looked my vette had a combustion engine.

To every body, thanks for your time.

Riggs.

 

NASA actually researched this

Very interesting read using a caddilac 7.4 litre motor.

Apparent flame speed and energy balance measurements were used to explain performance
and emissions differences between gasoline and gasoline enriched by bottled
hydrogen and hydrogen produced by a methanol reformer.

For a single load and engine speed condition, a multicylinder engine operating with
lean mixture ratios with and without hydrogen addition gave the following results:
1. Adding small amounts of hydrogen to gasoline produced efficient lean operation
by increasing the apparent flame speed and reducing ignition lag.
2. The actual minimum energy consumption was the same for gasoline and hydrogen-
gasoline, although the minimum-energy-consumption equivalence ratio decreased from
0.79 to 0.67.
3. Exhaust emissions levels followed the classical trends with changing equivalence
ratio. Oxides-of-nitrogen emission levels at the minimum-energy-consumption equivalence
ratios were appreciably lower for hydrogen-gasoline than for gasoline. At the
same equivalence ratio, in the range of practical interest, NOx emissions were higher
for hydrogen-gasoline than for gasoline because of hydrogen's higher peak combustion
temperatures.
4. Gasoline with reformed hydrogen gave the highest NOx emission levels. The
reformer must produce gas at a high enough temperature to avoid water or methanol
condensation. The high inlet temperature can cause higher peak combustion temperatures
and, therefore, higher NOx emission levels.
5. The hydrocarbon emission levels of hydrogen-gasoline did not follow the trends
reported from lower-compression-ratio engines, in that hydrocarbon emission levels
were lower with hydrogen enrichment at equivalence ratios above 0.80. Hydrocarbon
emission levels were somewhat higher for hydrogen-gasoline at minimum-energyconsumption
equivalence ratios. However, the combustion process for gasoline with
bottled hydrogen produced the lowest carbon monoxide emission levels.

 

Very perceptive.

Anyway, my neighbor, who owns a tool and die shop started making them last summer when the gas was over 4 bucks.
He's not a greenie, his only interest was profit thru sales.
He used ss plates alternately mounted in a plastic box, with more plates making more hydrgen. It used very little current, in fact testing with a car battery power source, one unit blew up due to excessive pressure. He would lite the gas produced at the end of a hose and it would flame like an oxy/acet torch.
He had several units out on test and each reported an increase in gas mileage, but it was nowhere near double.
His material cost per unit was around 30 bucks.
So yes, they do work effectively, at least his did.
With the price of gas dropped, he has shelved it for now.

BTW, BMW has been doing hydrogen research since 1978 and has numerous hydrogen cars running around.
The latest are full size sedans that are duel fuel and will not cost more than a comparable model, they predict.
The infrastructure to have filling stations every 50 miles is said to cost about 500 billion by 2025, but they will be refilling with liquid fuel.

 

No, that would be rude. I did learn the term 'Techno-tard' today though.

In all seriousness, I've think you're gone off on a side tangent. There is no doubt that hydrogen is a game-changing fuel that offers all the efficiency and performance that you have mentioned. I work in the aviation field, specifically for one of world's largest manufacturers of turbine engines and can tell you that the advantages of hydrogen are well documented.

I don't that anyone else here is debating that point either.

What the OP is asking about is a device that mounts on board a car and manufacturers it's own fuel while you drive, in sufficient quantities to lessen or eliminate the demand for gasoline.

As pointed out before, there is no device presently being made commercially or in a basement that can manufacture hydrogen in sufficient quantities to make any significant difference. Note the only examples mentioned talk about routing the gas through bubblers, or a jet of a welders torch which infers that the volume wouldn't be enough to keep a tiny model airplane engine running.

These same hydrogen generators are NOT in any way efficient, meaning that the amount of power they consume to manufacture the hydrogen does not fully offset the energy produced in the form of hydrogen gas. The statement that they run off wasted power from the alternator is false and again displays the technical naivety of those that promote them.

If the devices actually produced more energy that they used, this would be an example of a perpetual motion machine. Part of the hydrogen could be used to power the generator meaning no need to connect it to the engine at all.