Not in my household!

 

Uhh is the sky falling yet?

This is the funniest string in a long time. It's always amazing how many snake oil and conspiracy plot believers these posts bring out.

 

Well, Since were discussing new energy and planet saving ideas, here is mine. Extract CO2 from the atmosphere (Major greenhouse gas), Break it down into carbon and oxygen (chemical or catalytic photosynthisis). Use the carbon (purified coal) as a 0 sulpher fuel to generate electricity and even to power vehicles. Reduces greenhouse gas and is an abundant renewable energy source. Yea, I guess im a one of those whackos but if I could figure out how to do it economically, I would be a really, really rich whacko. Or Exxon would have me killed.

 

can't we do that by planting trees , and then burning them as a fuel?

 

Forget all of this stuff and just take a look at Fred Flintstone's car. The only gas near that thing was produced by Fred (and was probably harmful to the ozone and Wilma). Sure, the wheels had a high rolling resistance and were a bitch to change, and maybe you got a splinter or two from the steering wheel, but what the heck, you got room for your family and pet dino when you go to the drive in movies.

 

The third world counties are clear cutting and burning them faster than we could ever grow them.

 

It seems to me that there is a over abundance of pure stupidity of folks that seem to
open their mouths (OR KEY IN) before they decide on whether or not their opinions really
needs to be heard. It is best to remain silent and look knowledgeable instead of speaking
and removing all doubt.

I simply started this tread after running across some hydrogen information after researching
some info about electrons and protons and thought that members of this forum seam to
carry some engineering knowledge but so far I have not seen many intelligent replies.
To all that have replied in an intelligent manner, Thank you.

Back to the topic.
I'm looking at Hydrogen generators (not Hydrogen cells) for two reasons.
1st, I have read about (no info-mercial crap) but stuff that the average Joe's from around
the world have been working on, some impressive and some not at all.

2nd, If nothing else, I have gained more knowledge about many different things
since I started this tread, and all my searches and also I well have a pretty cool
Hydrogen touch to play around with when I'm done if not a lower fuel bill.

Thanks to all that have and to those who still may reply in an intelligent manner.

Riggs.

 

Dude,

Keep your shirt on- you brought this one on yourself.

By picking one of the most outright fraud-ridden, scam-infested, Bubba-moth-to-a-flame, snake-oiliest jokes ever invented, you can expect to bring out all the weirdos with their over the top opinions.

Including me.

 

Every techological advance from the telephone to nuclear power plants has been met by ridicule and insults from the closed minded. "You really think you could power a large city for a month with a piece of rock the size of a grapefruit? Your some kind of whacko!!"
Who would have thought 40 years ago when you seen Star Trek that you would really have a palm sized wireless personal comunicator that you could just push a button on and talk to whoever you wanted wherever you or them happened to be within our lifetime. It seemed totally out there.
With the energy crisis that is right around the corner (we got a little taste of it with $4.00 plus gas) there will be breakthroughs that we couldn't even imagine now. An economical, efficient hydrogen generator that could increase mileage 50% is not totally out of the realm of possibility. The people that take the initiative to discuss, experiment and research this will figure out how to do it. The ones who make fun of them are closed minded and show their lack of creativity but will be in line buying one from the really, really rich guy with the patent. They made fun of Bill Gates too.

 

63mako

The point is that these devices do not exist today. That's what the OP asked- today.

Same as cell phones did not exist when Star Trek was being filmed. Anyone claiming back then that they had 'plans for sale' would have been strung up the same as the hydrogen generators scammers should be today.

Despite the technical leaps and bounds made over the centuries, we are all still subject to the same laws of physics. Not even Obama can overturn those.

 

I am not a conspirocy theorist. I just don't think the techology exists that will make your car run on water, get 100 mpg by using a different carborator, burn hydrogen that was generated from the car itself, or anyother type of setup.

If GM (or any other company) could build such a car, they would control the market. People would fall over themselves to buy such a vehilce. Even if the US goverment or big oil didn't allow it , they would just build it somewhere else, like Europe or Asia, and export it to us.

As far as the goverment losing gas tax money, if you drive 15,000 miles per year, and get 15 mpg, that mean you use 1000 gallons per year. Now, at 13 cents per gallon tax, that's only $130 per year per car. It would be just as easy to just crank up your registration by that much, and take the gas tax away.

 

My point exactly. The only way these technological advances are made is through thought provoking discussion, trial and error research and even debate like we have here. Water is made up of hydrogen and oxygen. There is 100% efficient fuel there the byproduct of it's combustion is water. Maybe a yet undiscovered catalyst or a totally different approach could make this work as advertised. Might even be invented right here on the forum today by someone reading this thread. I have seen some pretty creative things come up here. A lot of the major breakthroughs have come from average joes working on an idea in their garage or basement. Not all innovation happens at state of the art science labs by some genius in a white coat.
Yes we are, An internal combustion engine is only 20% efficent. Hydrogen and oxygen can be almost 100% efficent.
Im done.

 

I laughed a little when I saw you write this but in tonight's paper there's a story about some Massachusetts idiot who introduced a bill to tax drivers a 1/4 cent for every mile they drive. It'll use the GPS system that's in all new cars. It goes on to say how Rhode Island and some other states (Oregon maybe), are already considering it.

Talk about Big Brother!!!!!!! Some day we're going to have another Boston Tea Party but it's gonna be allot more serious than dumping bails of tea in the Boston Harbor the next time.

 

I work in the Semi-conductor field, we needed a hydrogen source for some equipment.
Safety had a cow when we talked about bringing Hydrogen tanks on site.
I personally located, purchased, and setup a small Hydrogen generator,
It sits on top a desk about the size of a modern computer.
This unit plugs into 110vac, you fill the resivoir with clean water,
and it makes Hydrogen as needed at about 30-60 PSI. cost about $15 k
the Tech. is in place, the cost is not in line for commom use.
We have been using this for about 3 years with 0 problems. 69VETT

 

You asked for members thoughts on the subject, but you reject everything that doesn't fall in line with your opinion. You will listen to all the techno-tards about hydrogen generators but anyone who disagrees is stupid.
Remind me again, who is the narrow minded one?

 

TO ALL
Yea I didn't believe the crap either, so I decided to build one myself and see and found that it not only works, but saves me money on gas and pass smog with flying colors. After now building 10 of them over a 2 yr. period I built one that got my truck running better increased my mpg from 12 to 28 and gives me more power and only water out the exhaust. Don't believe me, try one yourself from this guy:
http://www.besthydroxygenerators.com/index.html all his work great and not expensive either.
lotsa luck
Rich

 

That's a good one! Can I borrow it?

 

This is just getting better and beeter.

Let's see some real proof to back up your claims. Otherwise I call

 

Why is this topic even in Tech/Performance? Seems to me that it should be in an Off Topic/Snake Oil forum.

For this junk to work, the Laws of Thermodynamics and Physics must be repealed! This is why perpetual motion machines won't work; in other words, You can't get something for nothing!

Think about it - if you take energy from the engine to turn the alternator to make electricity (maybe 80% efficiency), and then use the electricity to electrolyze water (don't know the efficiency here, but it's not very good), and finally burn the hydrogen in some manner in an internal combustion engine, which is, at most, only 25 or 30% efficient), you won't come out ahead.

 

sure.what do you want me to do build one and install it for you. I don't care if you believe me or not, I'm just telling you that I know it works cause I built a few til I got one to work. could care less if you use one or not, it's your money spend it however you like.