I don't buy a 128% increase in fuel Mileage either.
Just so people realize, your not just putting hydrogen into the intake. When the water breaks down it releases 2 atoms of pure hydrogen (fuel) and 1 atom of pure oxygen. Hydrogen is the fuel source of the sun and the atmosphere is only 21% oxygen, so you can see this is a pretty powerful addition even in small quantities. Both are introduced though the intake. I would think a modern car would benefit the easiest. The oxygen sensor detects levels in the exhaust and adjusts fuel mix to compensate for extra oxygen (lean) or lack of oxygen (rich) at the exhaust after combustion. I am sure timing, fuel ratio and probably even valve timing adjustments would be required to really make the most of one of these systems, but a small ratio would probably work fine.
This technology will be figured out and, if ever mass produced, will get to the point where it is cost effective for everybody.
Timing has to be adjusted to get the most out of nitrous oxide which is a similar principle (extra fuel and pure oxygen with a nitrogen buffer). You can use a small dry nitrous system on a modern FI car without touching anything. The knock sensor retards timing as needed and the oxygen sensor detects the extra oxygen and increases the fuel. On a carb car wet systems are best, where you introduce extra fuel along with the nitrous through properly sized jets and timing is dialed back accoring to the size of the shot. Big nitrous shots even need different cam profiles to make the most of it.
Nitrous Oxide was used in World War 2 fighters. Then the technology sat dormant for 30 years until some open minded, creative hot rodders got ahold of it and tried to figure out how to make it work. Now after 30 years of trial and error, discussion and argueing the systems are economical, mass produced and can double your power output with the flip of a switch.

 

There is nothing similar about nitrous oxide and hydrogen "injection". They are on oppsite sides of the equation. Hydrogen is used as a fuel in this case. The nitrous is an oxidizer used with added amounts of fuel, the same fuel you're already using.
If you are re-combining the oxygen with the hydrogen in the combustion process right after separating them, what net gain do you achieve? It sounds like zero to me.
I don't want to call anyone a liar either. Gullible and possibly ignorant would be a better description.

 

SH.
Who the hell are you to call me gullible and ignorant, sittin their on your prob xtra large butt, seems to me that your the "IGNORANT" one, callin people you never met names, arguing about something you prob never even seen, let alone built and tried to make work, spend $50 and buy the materials and build a HHO system and install it, if you have the smarts to do it, and see for yourself. There are plenty of plans readily available all over the web, just Google "hydrogen" and they'll pop up.
This country was built by people who refused to believe the "it can't be done" naysayers and followed the belief that "the person saying it can't be done shouldn't get in the way of the person that is doing it".
People like Thomas Edison, Alexander Graham Bell, the Wright brothers, Henry Ford, Jonas Salk, and thousands of other inventors and scientists who made this country what it is today and the thousands more who made the Ultimate sacrifice to insure that people will continue to have the freedom to do whatever they dream might be possible no matter how crazy or wild or even how stupid it may seem. NUFF SAID, I'm tired of beating a dead horse. I apologize for the rant guys, but I get a little upset when somebody tells me"IT CAN"T BE DONE"

 

It would be a shame if this thread gets locked for name calling. I don't know personally if it works or not but I have no reason to doubt someone who says they've made it work. I believe Popular Mechanics had an article a while back regarding this topic.

 

I just about got all choked up. I didn't point you out when I said "ignorant", but,.... If the shoe fits, wear it.
Jeeze, the dumb ones get so angry.
I'd rather be fat than stupid. Claims like yours are unsubstantiated garbage and wasting any further time on them would simply give quacks a platform.
Thomas Edison was a theif BTW. The Wright Bros developed existing technology, Ford mass produced an existing product. Read some history, and come back when you're all grown up.

 

Nitrous oxide injection creates extra pure oxygen. You add extra gas along with the extra oxygen making the combustion more efficent.
Hydrogen generators create the extra fuel along with extra pure oxygen to make combustion more efficent.
Both systems net effect is adding extra fuel and pure oxygen to the cylinder to make combustion more efficent.
True there is a difference nitrous and gas both cost money. The water used to create fuel and oxygen using a hydrogen generator is virtually free.

If you combine fuel and oxygen in a cylinder, compress it and ignite it do you get zero? These generators are creating 1.9 liters of hydrogen gas and pure oxygen a minute using 8 amps from your cars electrical system in the case of one system These amounts are easily measured. When I was a kid I had a battery on the charger. Hooked up the cable trying to start an engine out of the car. Got a spark.The battery blew up sending the whole top of the battery completly through the sheet metal roof 20 feet over my head. This was just the small amount of hydrogen gas trapped in the small void at the top of the battery. Learned a valuable lesson then and there. Hydrogen is very explosive. much more so than gas.
Hope your not talking about me. Check your above post and my response.

 

Consider your hopes dashed.

 

Consider your hopes dashed. No wonder Lars left.

 

You really need to get ahold of 73 red vette. You both live in San Diego. On a modern car the changes in jetting and timing would somewhat be automatic with the oxygen sensor and knock sensor. Would probably need to be tweeked to take full advantage. If you guys got together and he helped you make one and it worked you might be able to substantate some of the arguements one way or the other. Seems the people that have done it all claim it works with varying results and the people that haven't are skeptical. Human nature I guess.

 

This statement proves how clueless you are. In '08 I spent $1500 on gasoline. IDK how much of that is taxes. Let's say 1/2. and let's compare it to my taxes.
$750 fuel tax '08
$1000 Medicare Tax '08
$3400 State income tax '08
$4200 Social Security tax '08 (lets not even pretend I'll get it back)
$9100 federal income tax '08
Plus state sales tax, whatever that added up to.
Fuel tax looks like a distant 5th in "revenue generators"

 

P.T. Barnum said it best.

 

Ya know fellas' if you do some investigating there's a ton of stuff out there about guy's who've made one of these that claim they work. I ran across a youtube video last night about a guy who installed one on a small pickup that was pretty convincing. He showed it working and how it was hooked up, also mentioned about having to modify the O2 sensor because of the different combustion characteristics. He didn't appear to be a nutcase to me. I'm not saying everything is a rosy as some might present it to be about this subject but usually when you find this much evidence about a claim, there's usually something to it.

 

So you have called me ignorant, gullable and clueless.
You call me names but have no valid, intelligent responses to anything discussed. If you have nothing meaningful to contribute other than showing your immaturity and lack of knowledge and creativity why post? As I stated before I don't own one of these systems, never knew anyone that had one but am open mined and intelligent enough to see that other forum members have done it and had positive results. The debate here is weather it is a cost effective solution to increased fuel mileage.
Maybe the plates break down after 2500 miles and need replacing at more cost than your fuel savings, Maybe the catylist is more expensive than the fuel savings justify, Maybe the cost of generating the electricity is more than the value of what is generated. If you post these kind of responses they can be debated in an intelligent manner. Your responses can't.
The Wright brothers stole existing technology but did anyone fly before them? They were two guys working in a garage not scientists. The hydrogen generator is existing technology, now people have used that and are coming up with ways to make this existing technology work in different ways.

 

That is just a bunch of techno-tards scientificly proving that adding hydrogen increases fuel mileage, decreases emisions and burns faster making the engine more efficent. How does that compare to the geniuses on here that know in their heart this is not possible and can't be done using a hydrogen generator. It is all myths from a bunch of whacko's.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JbXL...eature=related

 

You sound like you might have changed your opinion since your first post!
You see, on the video, a Whacko, techno-tard, he must also be gullable and ignorant.
You have to realize this is very crude and uses totally HHO gas in an engine designed to run on gasoline only. With redesigned chambers, compression, ignition, valve timing and jetting this could be refined to the point where it is viable. The only emissions from this engine would be water vapor.

 

Ha! You noticed. Well when I answered his post the first time I had in mind the feasability of widespread distribution of hydrogen as an economical solution to gasoline. I still think making storage tanks and piping this stuff under pressure is not realistic but that's not to say that it might not actually work in an engine. I like this "gizmo gadget" stuff......might be fun to make one and see what happens. I don't suppose you'd donate the 63 as a test vehicle would you?

 

You can get your motor to run on just about anything, french fry grease is a good one, nothing wrong with that.

Me, I prefer the sound and smell of old fashioned gasoline along with the tire shredding power you can make

 

Topgunn,
I am sure that Mako would be happy to donate the 63 as a test vehicle. If you decide to make one let me know and I will tell you how to make the one I just built which I think is the best one that I have built so far. Or if you'll be in San Diego in the future look me up and I'll be glad to help you build it or build one for you and have it waiting for when you get here
Like NIKE says "JUST DO IT" you won't be sorry, trust me! HMMM
Have a great weekend. Us nutcases love to have "converts"
Rich

 

MOTOR,
Not me. I'd love to have the smell of french fries comin out of my tailpipe. That would be like driving around with a MacD in your back seat