Borgeson Steering Install
Burning Brakes
Joined: Oct 2011
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From: McDonough Georgia
All that stock crap can go straight to the trash. I had completely replaced my stock valve with a new one. It leaked profusely. I rebuilt it myself, and it didn't leak for two days. Then it suddenly popped and poured fluid everywhere......AGAIN
Everything you see can be trashed, the valve, the ram, and that bracket with the hole for the ram. That bracket is a little tricky to get out as it is held on the frame with U type clamps that go into the frame. You have to use the access holes to get rid of it.
You will replace that horrid plumbing and valve with the Borgeson end link connector.
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Joined: Sep 2013
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From: Pennsylvania
That piece might be the clamp for the trailing arm end. You can see it in the picture of how mine came in the box.
All that stock crap can go straight to the trash. I had completely replaced my stock valve with a new one. It leaked profusely. I rebuilt it myself, and it didn't leak for two days. Then it suddenly popped and poured fluid everywhere......AGAIN
Everything you see can be trashed, the valve, the ram, and that bracket with the hole for the ram. That bracket is a little tricky to get out as it is held on the frame with U type clamps that go into the frame. You have to use the access holes to get rid of it.
You will replace that horrid plumbing and valve with the Borgeson end link connector.
All that stock crap can go straight to the trash. I had completely replaced my stock valve with a new one. It leaked profusely. I rebuilt it myself, and it didn't leak for two days. Then it suddenly popped and poured fluid everywhere......AGAIN
Everything you see can be trashed, the valve, the ram, and that bracket with the hole for the ram. That bracket is a little tricky to get out as it is held on the frame with U type clamps that go into the frame. You have to use the access holes to get rid of it.
You will replace that horrid plumbing and valve with the Borgeson end link connector.
I see you kept that piece of foam on the end link connector. Is that how it was supposed to be? I thought I read somewhere that they recommended a ball joint boot.
Burning Brakes
Joined: Oct 2011
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From: McDonough Georgia
I suppose you could put a rubber boot on there.
Seems to me the foam ring serves the same purpose. There isn't any oil or grease leaking, so I left it there.
I didn't get a rubber ring separate.
Seems to me the foam ring serves the same purpose. There isn't any oil or grease leaking, so I left it there.
I didn't get a rubber ring separate.
Pro
Joined: Jan 2006
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From: Millington TN
I am also curious to see if this box fits a small block with the Super Comp Sidemount headers. I am stationed in Italy and need to know that it fits with my setup. I have the box already but will have to use the hobby shop. I don't want the car to be stranded if it doesn't work out, it takes a good while for parts to get out here! I am also curious about the rag joint clearance. Has anyone put this in a small block car with the Super Comp Sidemount headers?
Burning Brakes
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From: McDonough Georgia
I am also curious to see if this box fits a small block with the Super Comp Sidemount headers. I am stationed in Italy and need to know that it fits with my setup. I have the box already but will have to use the hobby shop. I don't want the car to be stranded if it doesn't work out, it takes a good while for parts to get out here! I am also curious about the rag joint clearance. Has anyone put this in a small block car with the Super Comp Sidemount headers?
I would suggest that you look at Stingraymans pictures above with the stock box, and compare that closely to your pipes.
Then look at the installed pics with the measurements and make a good determination.
I haven't run across anyone yet with the stock box installed that had to do anything to mount the B box; regardless of headers.
In other words, if the pipes were dimpled for the stock box, that dimple works for the B box.
Seems like not all these vettes are alike either. Some seem to have more or less clearance than others even with the same setup.
Just my 2 cents.
Pro
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From: Millington TN
Don't get me wrong garnercur, Italy is great. But as a E-5 in military housing I have no garage for these projects and any sort of wrenching in the parking lot is technically against base regulations. Now the auto shop is available and it's great to have a lift to use but I can't exactly run down to autozone and get parts I need locally. So say I get the old box out and the new one in and my rag joint doesn't clear..... It will take 7-10 days(at the earliest) to get the u joint shipped here. Italy is great, just an inconvienient place to work on an old Vette!
Instructor
Joined: Oct 2010
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From: Dwingeloo Netherlands
If the ragjoint now clears the headers, it certainly will do so with the B-box: the joint will just sits about an inch higher up the steering column, because you need to tap that in as explained in the instructions.
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Joined: Sep 2013
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From: Pennsylvania
Don't get me wrong garnercur, Italy is great. But as a E-5 in military housing I have no garage for these projects and any sort of wrenching in the parking lot is technically against base regulations. Now the auto shop is available and it's great to have a lift to use but I can't exactly run down to autozone and get parts I need locally. So say I get the old box out and the new one in and my rag joint doesn't clear..... It will take 7-10 days(at the earliest) to get the u joint shipped here. Italy is great, just an inconvienient place to work on an old Vette!
Race Director
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From: Sierra Foothills CA
I've gotten the Borg box installed in my '69 427 Vette- with Hedman headers. It did not require dimpling the headers, which was a big relief for me. Nobody I'm aware of has ever shown this combo to fit here at the forum. I love the new box for its quickness and precision. If you're interested, please check out my separate thread here- http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-t...post1586795267
There are a couple of extra tips included there. If you have any questions or comments, please post them in that thread so as not to muck this one up. Thanks.
There are a couple of extra tips included there. If you have any questions or comments, please post them in that thread so as not to muck this one up. Thanks.
Race Director
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From: Sierra Foothills CA
The box is certainly bigger and heavier than the original, but I wouldn't know by how much. It's sturdier and better designed. Remember, this system eliminates the ram and valve which offsets a good part of the weight gain. Besides, getting those parts off gets rid of the most common leaking points. Even with new parts there mine never stopped leaking for long. With the Borg set up you only have the PS pump, box, and hoses between the two.
Heel & Toe
Joined: Apr 2017
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hose leak
I just installed the Borgeson steering gear. I am having a problem with both hose of the hose leaking at the gear even though the fittings are tight. Any thoughts?
Last edited by chiefpowell; Apr 26, 2017 at 02:47 PM. Reason: it is on a 1976 Corvett
Drifting
Joined: Mar 1999
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From: Oxford CT
Mine was leaking a few drops at a time. I had to tighten it to the point I thought I was going to break it off. Been fine now for the last 3 years.
Drifting
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From: Pearland Texas
St. Jude Donor '09
Drifting
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From: Pearland Texas
St. Jude Donor '09
There it is! The box is set up for O-ring type hoses. since you have flared hose design you will need to install the adapters provided and will have to make sure you insert them in straight. I used a perfect fit punch to tap them in place. My Pump was set up for "Flared" hoses and didn't require modifications. !
Heel & Toe
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Instructor
Joined: May 2013
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From: Lower Mainland British Columbia
So yes the small end gets pressed into the steering box. Mine were really tight, and you have to make sure it is seated all the way or you won't have enough threads to tighten the fitting.
There is another thread that shows a fitting that adapts from the flared hose to the o-ring box. Some have had to use this to solve small leaks.