Carpet Question? Willcox?
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Carpet Question? Willcox?
This might be one for Willcox only... we'll see.
Because I spent 30 years disliking the 80/20 loop, I'm putting cut pile in my 1968 4-speed vert this time. (because I can)
I see that there's one set for the '70 only and another set for 71-75.
What's the difference?
My instinct is to get the 1970 for my '68 but I'm thinking they perhaps improved something for 72-75?
So what do I want and why please
-W
Because I spent 30 years disliking the 80/20 loop, I'm putting cut pile in my 1968 4-speed vert this time. (because I can)
I see that there's one set for the '70 only and another set for 71-75.
What's the difference?
My instinct is to get the 1970 for my '68 but I'm thinking they perhaps improved something for 72-75?
So what do I want and why please
-W
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This might be one for Willcox only... we'll see.
Because I spent 30 years disliking the 80/20 loop, I'm putting cut pile in my 1968 4-speed vert this time. (because I can)
I see that there's one set for the '70 only and another set for 71-75.
What's the difference?
My instinct is to get the 1970 for my '68 but I'm thinking they perhaps improved something for 72-75?
So what do I want and why please
-W
Because I spent 30 years disliking the 80/20 loop, I'm putting cut pile in my 1968 4-speed vert this time. (because I can)
I see that there's one set for the '70 only and another set for 71-75.
What's the difference?
My instinct is to get the 1970 for my '68 but I'm thinking they perhaps improved something for 72-75?
So what do I want and why please
-W
Tony
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Melting Slicks
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From: Anderson SC
68-69 is one range
1970 is all by itself,
and 71-75 is the last
The differece could be as simple as molded in heel pad stuff. But I'd still like to make an informed decision based on *what* changed between 70 and 71.
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Well I can tell you this:
The difference is in the REAR of the convertible.
The front carpet sets are the same in the catalogs. The only difference being that the dimmer pad was added for 70-75. (actually late 69)
But they did change *something* in the rear of the vert after 1970 - I just don't know what that is - YET.
(or if I want that change in my 68 or not)
-W
The difference is in the REAR of the convertible.
The front carpet sets are the same in the catalogs. The only difference being that the dimmer pad was added for 70-75. (actually late 69)
But they did change *something* in the rear of the vert after 1970 - I just don't know what that is - YET.
(or if I want that change in my 68 or not)
-W
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1968 to 1977 has the same application except the materials and weave...plush, 80/20, 80/20 loop....78 to 81 is just the materials and colors...otherwise they are probably all the same and roadsters had nothing to do with it........
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From: Anderson SC
All the catalogs differentiate 1970 from 71-75.
-W
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Yes as 70 is plush, otherwise the same...actually 68`s correctly is 80/20 or 80/20 loop...if your a NCRS contender...the colors are important as not available for all years, however they could be as a special order and why years are specific..Otherwise they will interchange by year and fabric from 68-77 regardless whether coupe or roadster
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From: Anderson SC
Ya REALLY think so?? 
Now explain to me very slowly...
Why are the FRONT carpet sets all listed the same for 1970-1975...
but the REAR carpet sets separate 1970 from 71-75.
And please spare me the story about a different color used in the rear as opposed to the front color.
-W
Now explain to me very slowly...
Why are the FRONT carpet sets all listed the same for 1970-1975...
but the REAR carpet sets separate 1970 from 71-75.
And please spare me the story about a different color used in the rear as opposed to the front color.
-W
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Clams... I've not read all of this, but I will tomorrow. But, I can get you the 68 carpet in cut pile if this is what you are wanting. Then it will install without any problems.
Sorry for the short answer tonight, I have to run... If I've not answered this right I'll check back in the morning.
Willcox
Sorry for the short answer tonight, I have to run... If I've not answered this right I'll check back in the morning.
Willcox
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Hi,
I believe 68s and most of 69s didn't have dimmer pads. Then 70s had no dimmer pad again (maybe a few left over from 69 had the pad) while 71s and 72s did have the pads.
I believe the heel pad for 68 to early 71 had ribs that ran to within 1/4" of the top of the pad, while late 71s and 72's had ribs that stop 3/8" short of the top of the pad.
Clams,
I believe 70 is seperate because in 70 the rear carpet went further up the rear bulkhead and further into the corners.
I think this is all NCRS detail, not how the carpet fits.
Regards,
Alan
I believe 68s and most of 69s didn't have dimmer pads. Then 70s had no dimmer pad again (maybe a few left over from 69 had the pad) while 71s and 72s did have the pads.
I believe the heel pad for 68 to early 71 had ribs that ran to within 1/4" of the top of the pad, while late 71s and 72's had ribs that stop 3/8" short of the top of the pad.
Clams,
I believe 70 is seperate because in 70 the rear carpet went further up the rear bulkhead and further into the corners.
I think this is all NCRS detail, not how the carpet fits.
Regards,
Alan
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From: Anderson SC
That's closer to what I was looking for. I'm not so sure about the lack of a '70 dimmer pad or when it stops and starts. Some of the catalogs have a different set for 1970 front only and some don't. But all of them have the complete and/or rear only sets singling out 1970. I find this all strange but fascinating. 
-W
-W
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If we're talking about the very rear of the compartment, The original in my 68 vert went almost up to the astro-ventillation thingies in the back. Are you saying that in your vert it stops way down near the floor? I'm not sure what a "mounting plug" is yet?
-W (possibly getting confused on terminology)
PS: to those reading the thread... sooner or later we all stand to learn a great piece of Corvette trivia - I can feel it.
-W (possibly getting confused on terminology)
PS: to those reading the thread... sooner or later we all stand to learn a great piece of Corvette trivia - I can feel it.
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"Mounting plugs" are the rubber plugs that were used to hold vertical carpet sections up to lay flat on the surface. They are about 2" long and 1/4" in diameter with a 1/2" head. There is a hole formed in the plug from the top of the head to nearly the end of the plug; a tool was used to fit in that hole for installing the plugs through the carpeting and the hole in the body panel. You can still buy those plugs if you want to use them rather than glue. BTW, glue gets old and loses its grip on vertical carpeting...plugs do not.
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The only place I can see a remnant of such mounting plugs is on the vertical metal bulhead behind the seats - is that where you meant? I thought you were talking about the way way back wall of the rear cpmpartment.
On mine the carpet went all the way up that wall and folded over toward the 3 little doors.
-W
On mine the carpet went all the way up that wall and folded over toward the 3 little doors.
-W
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Hi W,
I was referring to the fiberglass bulkhead that's at the rear of the rear compartment, not to the metal bulkhead that's right behind the seats and part of the birdcage.
As 7T1 said, the plugs are for the rear bulkhead, coupe or convertible. The carpet was glued to the steel bulkhead behind the seats.
Regards,
Alan
You can see the 'swish' of glue on the steel bulkhead.
And no glue on the rear bulhead, but 2 of the 3 plugs still in place instead.
I was referring to the fiberglass bulkhead that's at the rear of the rear compartment, not to the metal bulkhead that's right behind the seats and part of the birdcage.
As 7T1 said, the plugs are for the rear bulkhead, coupe or convertible. The carpet was glued to the steel bulkhead behind the seats.
Regards,
Alan
You can see the 'swish' of glue on the steel bulkhead.
And no glue on the rear bulhead, but 2 of the 3 plugs still in place instead.
Last edited by Alan 71; Oct 18, 2009 at 11:09 AM.
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OK... what I was seeing was rivets behind the seats.
But my '68 car never had the plugs on the very rear iether. I have glue going *all* the way up to the astro vent thingies. No holes, no plug remnents, no nothing. No wonder I was confused.
-W
But my '68 car never had the plugs on the very rear iether. I have glue going *all* the way up to the astro vent thingies. No holes, no plug remnents, no nothing. No wonder I was confused.
-W