I have to doubt your veracity on this. Or maybe there was something else going on to compound the situation. One wire being shorted does not shut down the whole ignition system unless you have some special protection. The impedance through a spark gap is barely more than a dead short anyway so you'd need something really sophisticated that would detect current discharge at a very low threshold voltage. What do you think is happening every time the plug fires. Once the voltage rises to a level to break down and ionize the air it's effectively a dead short to ground. Does your MSD have an alalog module or digital or do you even know the difference?

You don't know the whole history of my relationship with TT. He used to be irreverent and brash every bit as much as i am, mixing it up with people here so they run him off. Then he starts his own deal and all of a sudden wants everybody to fall in line and behave. Does that strike you as hypocritical? He blocks me from posting then wants me to be happy about that? Go back and kiss some more butt. You seem good at that.

I've seen Lars posting here again, we have Jim Shea and a bunch of extremely knowledgeable people posting here. TT's crowd all come over here (i see Howard peddling here all the time) to sell their stuff and most everyone there posts here too. So cut the crap. That's the pinnacle of arrogance to think a guy in Holland who drives a computer more than any car knows more about this hobby. Hell maybe i should fab up a bunch of crap and bolt it to a pile of parts that will never move and you'd think i'm a genius too.

 

TV, Jim.....I dunno what to say, so I saying nuttin' at all.....

 

That's what I would have said before it happened. But that was the cause, believe it or not.

 

Kinda the reverse action of the Toyota thing...eh??

 

Disbelieve all you want. It happened. Of all the problems I've run into having built and tuned my own engine, I chose this one because it was not obvious and I knew no one, if anyone would get it, provoking more responses.

Maybe the MSD unit does have some safety protection. I don't know. And I worked as an electrical consultant before I went off to law school, so yes, I know the difference between digital and analog. Do you? Do you know that half the stuff that claims to be digital needs to convert back to analog before the signal is useable? And companies just slap a digital label on everything because people, like you I presume, think it's better and are willing to pay more for it.

Going from the resistance in the air between the spark plug gap to a dead short on the header (plus the 40 or 50 ohms of resistance in the wire) is a huge difference. It's no wonder something got too hot in there.



As far as kissing ***. I don't. I love TTs car and what he's done with it, if it were your car I'd have that respect for you. I don't spend much time here or on Vettemod, I post everyday on motorgen.com where I'm a moderator. So I don't really need to kiss anyone's ***.

I'm sorry that you hate TT. I don't. This thread was about a claim that you made that I believed to be false. I proved that you were. You can admit defeat. or continue to cry, it won't change reality.

 

1. Once the air is ionized that acts just like a piece of wire ie. nearly a dead short so there is no difference in discharge current through the plug or shorted to your header. But i wouldn't expect a pre law guy to understand anything technical.

2. Good to know. I won't bother signing up there.

3. I don't hate TT. I like arguing technical stuff with him. He is sharp. His partner there Larry is particularly incompetent though, a strange partnership.

 

I'm not prelaw smart one, I'm in law school. Prelaw is undergrad. I have a BA and am now working on my JD which I will have next year.

The current could either decrease or increase when the resistance changes, depending on the circuit. There are too many variables to make a definitive statement as you just did, but I wouldn't expect any less from you.

No it is not a dead short, yes the electricity is effectively shorted out, but it's not a dead short. Just like an electrical appliance. For instance with a light bulb, the element conducts very poorly (high resistance) which is why when you plug it in your circuit breaker doesn't trip. But if you put a piece of wire between those two prongs connected to the filement with much lower RESISTANCE, then your circuit breaker would trip. Because that piece of copper wire is allowing too much current to flow, a DEAD short. If every appliance in your house operated via a dead short, you should bust out the fire extinguisher because your computer is about to catch fire.

I worked as a consultant for a pro loudspeaker company for a few years, when I was prelaw, before I was in law school. Get it now? No I don't know as much as guys like Bird obviously but I certainly know enough to spot smart ones like you.

Have fun hiding over here under your shell. I'm out.

 

Mama said, If you have nothing nice to say then dont say anything!

 

enk, My only comment is that IF your observation/diagnosis IS indeed correct, I suspect your ignition system is marginal somewhere/someHOW....

and it wouldn't be the first time MSD products have been substandard....

I would think when hot weather returns, your symptom will reappear....

unless, maybe?? the short did something silly to upset the digital part of the MSD boxes...

sort of a Toyota type problem, maybe??

 

Cry?

I like this forum, I get info here and I give info here. I was one of the first to install a T56, and possibly the first to do it with a hydraulic setup. I've helped a bunch with info on this.

Also, I'm the first to fit a Procharger in the bay with stock control arms and a stock hood. I've answered questions about it here too.

I was also the first to fit a 74 front bumper on a 75-79 car. I've given info about that too.

Who the hell are you and what do you have to offer?

This was about proving that Turtle doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. The answers given here were good answers too, and I acknowledge that.




P.S. Possessive - Their / Location - There / They are - They're Also, thank you for specifying that your C3 is a t-top. Very cool, was that a rare option?

 

As soon as I cut that part of the wire out and moved the crimp up, problem was gone. No misses either.

I hear you about MSD products. The first MSD HEI that I bought only fired randomly, quite embarassing dyno day when your car won't pull past 2K without stuttering.

 

Nothing nice to say so I'll say nothing.

 

It was a real problem, this really happened. I didn't see it because the centrifugal blower and its K&N cone filter cover the drivers side of my engine bank. But I'm guessing with less than 200hp you don't have that problem.

See:

If you don't know what a centrifugal blower is, Google it. And you're challenging someone thousands of miles away to a fist fight because you didn't like what they had to say on a car forum... and you're telling me to get a life. Why don't you invest in a decent exhaust system so you don't embarrass the rest of us Corvette lovers driving around as slowly as I'm sure Turtle does.

And just so everyone knows, Pete has a C3 with T-Tops!!!

 

We're not talking about 120v we're talking about 50,000 volts. The impedance across the air gap is M ohms until the arc is established then the impedance across the arc (ionized air) is nearly zero, so you get essentially the same current discharge as a dead short.

Go ask TT. He'll tell you i'm right. As much as he hates to agree with me.

 

I don't need to ask TT, my Dad is an electrical engineer.

He speculates that the voltage needs to build up when you're supplying a very small amount of current for it to build up the voltage high enough to jump the spark plug gap. But when there is a dead short (on the header), the voltage cannot build up because it is constantly draining (just on that prong of course) and by the time it fails it has drained the coil which is why it didn't have enough power transfer capability to keep the voltage high enough for the other spark plugs.

You're also wrong about the resistance being the same through the ionized air, it is drastically reduced, but never the same as a dead short.

I'm pretty much done with you now, if you intend to argue with the theory of an electrical engineer who has been working for over 26 years, I'd like to hear that you have similar credentials before you continue. Further, this is a tangent, already proved my point, and you know it.

 

You best go ask him. Run along now.

 

I DID ASK HIM, AND THE ELECTRICAL ENGINEER SAID THAT YOU ARE WRONG. Did you not read my post? Go on, think of something else witty to say or another tangent to distract from the fact that you're wrong.

We have a term in the legal profession to describe people like yourself. Losers. And by my count you've lost twice now. I can see why TT banned you, he didn't want you spreading false info all over his forum. It's a good thing too, it's kept VM the best source.

Bye bye now. Have fun with your delusional state of mind, must feel great to be 'right' about everything all the time.

 

"profession"? Loser? Is that your technical term? Sounds real smart.

I'm getting the picture now. Online law degree.

TT and the rest at the other site are trying to tell you you're full of crap too and you won't believe them either.

 

No, I go to an ABA approved law school here in CA. Don't feel like giving you more info than I need to, I don't want you trying to stalk my daughter online someday pervert.

In fact I don't think you can even qualify to sit for the BAR per CBE regulations with an online degree, pretty sure you need a JD from an ABA school. Didn't you know about that too know it all?

But by suggesting that someone you don't like wouldn't be qualified to get into a real law school, you inadvertently admit that you think going to law school is impressive. So THANK YOU I'm sure it's more impressive than whatever you've been doing with your life. Wait, we already know what that is, stalking young girls that you've never met on the internet right?

TT never said that I was wrong, neither has anyone else. Some people were surprised, that's it. You really are delusional.



You send me a PM telling me that you think my Dad is a moron. An electrical engineer said that you're wrong about electricity, and YOU call HIM a moron? Wow. Must be nice to see such a perfect flawless image of yourself in the mirror.

I have nothing left to gain from returning to this thread, it's getting ridiculous. No more PMs please, I wasn't planning to return until I saw your PM. Really, I'm done, this is getting silly. I'm bored embarrassing you and proving you wrong, and I have class tomorrow. Bye bye now crazy perverted stalker who knows more about electricity than electrical engineers. I'll be sure to contact you if I have any legal questions.