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Hello Fellow Vetteheads,
Last week I purchased a set of Firestone Firehawk Indy 500's. While the tire tech was mounting the tires I asked him what pressures he had inflated them to and he said 35#s, I told him that the front tires according to the door sticker reads 20#s and the rears 26#s he gave this speech about wear at such a low pressure and I assured him that the last tires I had for many years wore very well at these pressures. Where have I gone wrong or have I ?
Thank You in Advance
Goodyear techs say the tires last longer at the pressures on the sidewall of the tire. Usually higher than the door sticker. My thought is that GM didn't really care how long the tire lasted, but didn't want customers yipping about how rough the car rides.
I suggest following the pressures listed on your tire pretty closely. My personal belief about most "tire failures" like the recent Ford SUV flap are caused by car manufacturers diverging from tire manufacturer's pressure ratings in order to improve NVH or perceived ride issues in the basic platform design. Note that I am not a tire engineer, nor am I employed in the auto industry at all... this is only my personal opinion.
Last edited by markids77; May 14, 2010 at 09:46 PM.
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If I'm not mistaken the pressure on the sidewall of the tire is the pressure required for the tire to carry its maximum rated load, not necessarily what it should be inflated to for your car. The manufacturer's recommended inflation for your car is on the tag inside the drivers door.
Too much air and they wear in the middle and ride hard. Too little air and they wear on the outside edges and overheat. I guess one should look at their tires.
When I first got my 77 Vette, I was running the tires at 35# all the way around. I nearly lost my fillings. So... I backed off to 32#. Much better. Reason: Every pound of air pressure raised or lowered is the equivalence of changing the spring rates of your suspension by several pounds.
Having sold tires in the past I can vouch that you should use the tire manufacturer specs not the car manufacturer specs. GM put those low specs on the door sticker so the car would ride more comfortably.
I'm not a fan of Firestone tires, but they got screwed in the Ford SUV case. That heavy a vehicle should never have tires inflated to 20 some odd psi. Sure, they rode better.... but at what price. At 26psi the tire will run hotter than at 32psi as the sidewall will flex more. That's why the tires blew out on the SUV's. Don't forget that your Vette is a 3500 pound car not a 2700 pound Cavalier.
Also wern't most of those pressures for bias-ply tires. Nowadays we put radials on the cars and I believe they like higher pressures. I run my tires at 32 on almost everything i have except my truck. I even run my kumho r-compunds at 32 front and 30 rear when I autocross.
You have to read the tires carfully. Some pressures are the max pressure for the tire and some are at what pressue it can carry the max load. Most car tires usually have the max pressure on them, while things like trailer tires have the max load pressure.
Also wern't most of those pressures for bias-ply tires. Nowadays we put radials on the cars and I believe they like higher pressures.
What I remember is that to get traction with a bias ply - reduce air pressure. To get traction with a radial - increase pressure. I've heard of people that do the autocross stuff will run as much as 40 to 50 psi for their runs, then back it off to normal pressure for driving home.
I've never checked myself, but I'll bet you could go to the tires manufactures web site for tech info such as recommended pressures.
I run my tire pressure on my Camaro at 35psi and haven't had a problem with tire wear. Your tires should have the recommended tire pressure on the side. When I first got the car the tire were under inflated,35psi for me, and put 35psi of air and I felt a smoother ride right away.
With those 500+ treadwear tires it doesn't make much of a difference...they will give you poor dry traction for a very very long time no matter what pressure you put in them. But, 35 is too high for any passenger tire with just a single passenger and perhaps some luggage...normally don't see pressure that high unless you are hauling lumber or something.
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32 cold PSI for radials. Forget the numbers on the side of the tire. Those are max pressures and the tire would be very over-inflated and would wear in the middle.
thought my door said 30 psi all around, that what i have mine at and are fine
Your door is about 30 years old. When looking for tire specs you should always go by what is stamped on the tire. Read that door again and it will include a load rating at that max pressure. Mine says max capacity is 2 passengers plus 150lbs of luggage with an estimated combined total of 450lbs. But, since the car weighs almost 3500lbs anyway it doesn't make much difference whether it's 200lbs or 450lbs as far as the tire pressure is concerned.
It's also a good idea to watch for uneven wear patterns. If you see the tires wearing in the middle more then reduce the tire pressue and if you see more wear in on the edges then increase the tire pressure. But, with a treadwear of 500 or more you won't notice anything for several years.