Race Car won't start...
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Glad to see you back on here, politics will just keep the blood pressure high lol.
With all your comp. cam, need for timing. I know you said you turned the dist. counterclockwise manualy to advance timing. Is it possible even though you did that. This MSD retard went severly bad is keeping you badly retarded on timing regardless what your trying to do at the dist. I don't know anything about one these retard deals but after reading all these posts it just sounds like something is keeping you badly retarded timing. adjustable camshaft sprocket slipped if that can happen with one.
With all your comp. cam, need for timing. I know you said you turned the dist. counterclockwise manualy to advance timing. Is it possible even though you did that. This MSD retard went severly bad is keeping you badly retarded on timing regardless what your trying to do at the dist. I don't know anything about one these retard deals but after reading all these posts it just sounds like something is keeping you badly retarded timing. adjustable camshaft sprocket slipped if that can happen with one.
You only have to be a few degrees off and no go. Also I am sure GSC3 knows that at 0 degs on the balancer #1 or #6 cylinders fire depending on which one is on the compression stroke 
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Glad to see you back on here, politics will just keep the blood pressure high lol.
With all your comp. cam, need for timing. I know you said you turned the dist. counterclockwise manualy to advance timing. Is it possible even though you did that. This MSD retard went severly bad is keeping you badly retarded on timing regardless what your trying to do at the dist. I don't know anything about one these retard deals but after reading all these posts it just sounds like something is keeping you badly retarded timing. adjustable camshaft sprocket slipped if that can happen with one.
With all your comp. cam, need for timing. I know you said you turned the dist. counterclockwise manualy to advance timing. Is it possible even though you did that. This MSD retard went severly bad is keeping you badly retarded on timing regardless what your trying to do at the dist. I don't know anything about one these retard deals but after reading all these posts it just sounds like something is keeping you badly retarded timing. adjustable camshaft sprocket slipped if that can happen with one.
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I've been doing this (setting the distributor and timing) way too many times.. I don't think that the timing is the issue..
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Like I said, I will try hotter plugs and lower octane gas.. Will see what will happen..
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when you crank the motor, with the distributor cap removed, can you see the rotor moving? I have a friend who broke the distributor drive gear pin and he didn't able to start his engine 
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St. Jude Donor '03,'11
Have you tried a shot of starting fluid? It ain't rocket science. With gas and spark it should do something.
Do you own a timing light?
I fail to see how you could own and race a car for so many years and not be just a tad more mechanically competent.
Do you own a timing light?
I fail to see how you could own and race a car for so many years and not be just a tad more mechanically competent.
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Nice to see that you are still an ---hole. Either help the guy out or go away. I am sure your comment is just what he needed to hear.
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I've built my own engines and have taken my car apart, swapped out engines, transmissions, rear ends, gauges, electronics, have successfully installed a nitrous system and all electronics associated with it etc. etc.. I've probably done more to my car than most on here.
However, I've never had to start a car after sitting for years before. I did check all relevant components (spark, fuel, compression) etc. before even asking the question. I also did try starter fluid before even asking the question. I tried just about anything and the car won't start..
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With everything you've tried and changed, I would get a multimeter and start checking voltage in the ignition system starting with your 12v power supply from the battery to the switch in and out to the MSD box and also watch the meter when engaging the starter motor and see if the voltage drops. If this checks out good I would start troubleshooting the MSD components, if anything try to eliminate everything you can just to see if the engine will attempt to fire up with a basic system, since you've done everything that an engine needs, in theory it should have started but obviously reality isn't getting that memo.
Good Luck
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I have several timing lights.. WTH are you talking about competency??
I've built my own engines and have taken my car apart, swapped out engines, transmissions, rear ends, gauges, electronics, have successfully installed a nitrous system and all electronics associated with it etc. etc.. I've probably done more to my car than most on here.
However, I've never had to start a car after sitting for years before. I did check all relevant components (spark, fuel, compression) etc. before even asking the question. I also did try starter fluid before even asking the question. I tried just about anything and the car won't start..
I've built my own engines and have taken my car apart, swapped out engines, transmissions, rear ends, gauges, electronics, have successfully installed a nitrous system and all electronics associated with it etc. etc.. I've probably done more to my car than most on here.
However, I've never had to start a car after sitting for years before. I did check all relevant components (spark, fuel, compression) etc. before even asking the question. I also did try starter fluid before even asking the question. I tried just about anything and the car won't start..
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I have several timing lights.. WTH are you talking about competency??
I've built my own engines and have taken my car apart, swapped out engines, transmissions, rear ends, gauges, electronics, have successfully installed a nitrous system and all electronics associated with it etc. etc.. I've probably done more to my car than most on here.
However, I've never had to start a car after sitting for years before. I did check all relevant components (spark, fuel, compression) etc. before even asking the question. I also did try starter fluid before even asking the question. I tried just about anything and the car won't start..
I've built my own engines and have taken my car apart, swapped out engines, transmissions, rear ends, gauges, electronics, have successfully installed a nitrous system and all electronics associated with it etc. etc.. I've probably done more to my car than most on here.
However, I've never had to start a car after sitting for years before. I did check all relevant components (spark, fuel, compression) etc. before even asking the question. I also did try starter fluid before even asking the question. I tried just about anything and the car won't start..
Are you absolutely sure your not 180 out , this has gotten many a good mechanic.
Next thing I keep thinking about is your ign setup and is it doing some kind of funky retarding ?
The other thing , when you say you have spark is it white and really cracks or is it yellow ?
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One other thought,are you sure whats coming out of the carb is gas ? Being in Florida it would not take long for condensation to collect in the tank. I have no idea whether racing fuel would make that better or worse. Stick a piece of paper in the carb and squirt it and take it out and see how it burns.
When i come to Fl I work on vehicles and equipment for a state park and it always amazes me how many pieces of equipment wont run due to water in the tanks.
When i come to Fl I work on vehicles and equipment for a state park and it always amazes me how many pieces of equipment wont run due to water in the tanks.
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St. Jude Donor '03, '06, '17
With everything you've tried and changed, I would get a multimeter and start checking voltage in the ignition system starting with your 12v power supply from the battery to the switch in and out to the MSD box and also watch the meter when engaging the starter motor and see if the voltage drops. If this checks out good I would start troubleshooting the MSD components, if anything try to eliminate everything you can just to see if the engine will attempt to fire up with a basic system, since you've done everything that an engine needs, in theory it should have started but obviously reality isn't getting that memo.
Good Luck
Good Luck
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I believe you know what your doing and have done about all you can do but sometimes we overlook the smallest thing.
Are you absolutely sure your not 180 out , this has gotten many a good mechanic.
Next thing I keep thinking about is your ign setup and is it doing some kind of funky retarding ?
The other thing , when you say you have spark is it white and really cracks or is it yellow ?
Are you absolutely sure your not 180 out , this has gotten many a good mechanic.
Next thing I keep thinking about is your ign setup and is it doing some kind of funky retarding ?
The other thing , when you say you have spark is it white and really cracks or is it yellow ?
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One other thought,are you sure whats coming out of the carb is gas ? Being in Florida it would not take long for condensation to collect in the tank. I have no idea whether racing fuel would make that better or worse. Stick a piece of paper in the carb and squirt it and take it out and see how it burns.
When i come to Fl I work on vehicles and equipment for a state park and it always amazes me how many pieces of equipment wont run due to water in the tanks.
When i come to Fl I work on vehicles and equipment for a state park and it always amazes me how many pieces of equipment wont run due to water in the tanks.
