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The only changes to my 66,000 mile stock L-82 4 speed are:
Holley 4175 650 CFM Qjet replacement-no changes to jetting-softest vacuum secondary spring Comp cams roller tipped 1.5 rockers-no difference from stock
2.5 dual exhaust and McJack's Shorty headers-Monza turbo mufflers
No pollution control
stock dual intake air cleaner assembly with K&N filter
175 degree operating temperature versus stock 220 temp
I figure about 45-50 RWHP increase over totally stock 1978 L-82!
those rockers could be making a pretty big difference actually. Stock rocker ratios can vary several tenths in either direction. I've read that upward of 20-30hp can be found by going to a "true" 1.5 ratio rocker (or in comp's case, 1.52)
yeah you might read that from a vendor..............>
Originally Posted by TimberwolfFXDL
those rockers could be making a pretty big difference actually. Stock rocker ratios can vary several tenths in either direction. I've read that upward of 20-30hp can be found by going to a "true" 1.5 ratio rocker (or in comp's case, 1.52)
however real world results are different. I've changed from the stock to the roller tip to the full rollers I've NEVER seen more than a 10-15hp difference there ON the dyno, and more of that gain is in the upper rpm range, and I'd be careful on what roller rockers I would use have seen many "cheap" rollers come apart and the little needle bearings in them causing catostrophic engine damage. And at $300.00 plus dollars for a GOOD set that at much hp, however I am forced to live on a low income so $$$ are an issue for me. down
however real world results are different. I've changed from the stock to the roller tip to the full rollers I've NEVER seen more than a 10-15hp difference there ON the dyno, and more of that gain is in the upper rpm range, and I'd be careful on what roller rockers I would use have seen many "cheap" rollers come apart and the little needle bearings in them causing catostrophic engine damage. And at $300.00 plus dollars for a GOOD set that at much hp, however I am forced to live on a low income so $$$ are an issue for me. down
some of those true roller rockers [depending on the head] will require machine work and/or screw in studs and guide plates-off comes the heads down to the machine shop $100.00-$200.00 at least, AND then we got to buy all new gaskets for the top end, after swap you might be in your pockets for OVER $600.00 just to use the rollers,[don't forget labor] w/that amount spent you would be WAY better off putting a lil bigger cam in it-for about the same $$$ and gain a true 25-30hp. through out the used rpm range of your basically stock engine Again more gain in that in/above the 3000-3500rpm's w/the rollers and how many of us drive around at that rpm-all day? I'm not trying to deter anyone just think it thru 1st. Some of us have more $$$$$ then cents. however my .02 cents are just that. to each there own. Along time ago I fell into the hear this read that thing and more often than not got poor results, until I really got into seeing it and doing it w/my own hands
I think you read WAY more into my post than what I was actually trying to convey. All I meant was that the ratios of OEM stamped rockers are unreliably reported at best, and there are aftermarket companies who specialize in controlling that ration down to the hundredth (or so they say). a 1.52 is certainly going to perform better than an OEM 1.5 that's really 1.3 due to manufacturing conditions. And that's true whether it's stamper, roller tip, or full-zoot roller "everything"
Point being, saying installing 1.52 roller tip rockers is the same as stock is misleading.
I think you read WAY more into my post than what I was actually trying to convey. All I meant was that the ratios of OEM stamped rockers are unreliably reported at best, and there are aftermarket companies who specialize in controlling that ration down to the hundredth (or so they say). a 1.52 is certainly going to perform better than an OEM 1.5 that's really 1.3 due to manufacturing conditions. And that's true whether it's stamper, roller tip, or full-zoot roller "everything"
Point being, saying installing 1.52 roller tip rockers is the same as stock is misleading.
I wasn't trying to be smart, just some seen 1st hand info-not a advertisting trying to get your $$$, However even a good set of say Comp True-Rollers-Tip rockers are not going to give you much I suppose instead of a 5hp gain I should have said 5-10hp on the roller tips. And being a good set there ratio is probably true to there #'s in ratio, which could help IF the stockers were way off? by getting the valves to open a lil longer/farther, along w/ a lil less friction there, we cool
I just hope you don't come home on a rollback. Dynos can eat well-used cars.
we normally don't do more than 3 pulls the dyno puts a hell of load on the entire drivetrain, yep been there done that-getting pull happy, you might be pushing it off the chassis dyno and looking at a rod through the block,waiting for a rollback.
I should do more of that-eat popcorn and be very, very quite! lol yep thats the way ta do it! sometimes its like wow! really? and then I qet pulled in! shut-up Lance an put a bag in the micro!
I should do more of that-eat popcorn and be very, very quite! lol yep thats the way ta do it! sometimes its like wow! really? and then I qet pulled in! shut-up Lance an put a bag in the micro!
we normally don't do more than 3 pulls the dyno puts a hell of load on the entire drivetrain, yep been there done that-getting pull happy, you might be pushing it off the chassis dyno and looking at a rod through the block,waiting for a rollback.
How long does a dyno pull last? I can't believe it's longer than a run down a 1/4 mile track. If you can't make more than 3 runs or pulls without scattering parts, should you be there at all?
How long does a dyno pull last? I can't believe it's longer than a run down a 1/4 mile track. If you can't make more than 3 runs or pulls without scattering parts, should you be there at all?
we try and get every thing statically close 1st so we don't have too much diddling around w/it on the dyno---$$$. I still go down to my buddies shop and help out now and then, my health is failing fast, so now more of a hobby. and not too many failures on it just ....sometimes? the human factor, parts suspect, etc. the most pulls made I've been were around 11, guy wasn't satisfied? trying to get 500hp out this SBC because SOMEONE or he read SOMEWHERE told him he was supposed to get that? unacheivable amount w/ his engine.there is a limit w/everything.
Ok results are in car with the existing carb pulled 206 hp
With the new lars adjusted carb pulled 218 and 221 hp on the 3rd try not bad torque was at 246