You really need to stop riding that train.

I was thinking about this statement while I was loading the dishwasher and I decided to write a poem. I had absolutely no help from my 10 year old son. I hope you like it:

Roses are red,
Violets are blue.
My name is Keith Oster,
I graduated from ODU.
I am a Mechanical Engineer,
and a Professional Engineer (PE) too.
I don't know jack freaking diddly squat about designing tires
and neither do you.

Also to the point, I am fairly certain my engine builder graduated high school. I know he didn't attend a single minute of college. He has forgotten more about engine building than 99.98% of the population will ever know. And I would trust him to build 100 engines before I would trust a ME to build ONE. Know why? It's what he does. It's all he knows. It is his life.

Shocker: You don't have to be an ME to be knowledgeable about something.

I'm fairly certain that those dumb goons at that silly company "BFGoodwrench" or whatever figured the warming of the tires into the mix when they put a maximum COLD pressure on the side of the tire.

 

I put another 100 miles on my under inflated tires yesterday and I'll put another 100 miles on them today. By the end of this weekend I'll have put another 100 miles on them so this has been a busy week for me. The really nice thing about running 24/20 psi is the ultra smooth ride and the very long tread life for my soft BF Goodrich T/A radials.

 

You left yourself wide open for a soft joke there. There is an old saying that "you can't teach an old dog new tricks". Most people evolve with the new technical advancements and keep a open mind as to what might work and what won't. There are a few, one comes to mind, that take the stance "if it works for me, or at least once, then everyone must do it my way or their just stupid". What you give as fact is just really your opinion, and we all know the phrase that goes along with that, and you could just state it and move on. Instead you bitch and moan when someone doesn't see it you way.
Please keep on replying to questions asked and start new areas that show your knowledge, I really liked the clean your headlights one because we all need a good laugh.

 

^^^This^^^

A statement like this makes me remember about Mitsubishi, I think it was, that started scouring the interweb for evidence of owners' using their "Evolution" vehicles in track events. The deal was, if you brought your "Evolution" in for warranty service, they checked the different 'event' scoreboards. If your name popped up as driving a Mitsubishi Evolution, they did not honor the warranty.

Good on them, is my opinion.

The relevance this has is as follows:

WHEN (not if) this fine gentleman has an insurance claim that could have anything to do with tire failure (loss of control...hit a tree...hit another vehicle...whatever) and the insurance adjuster spends ANY sort of time researching popular boards (I'm sure they do), this single statement would be exceptionally good grounds for not providing any sort of loss coverage.

Moreover, if said accident results in damage to any other property in the process, Mr. TooBroke would be a little more broker. Because he would then be personally liable for that damage as well.

All because the root cause was utter, sheer, and gross negligence. Not negligence such as "hasn't checked the brake pads in a while". Negligence such as making an ACTIVE and INFORMED decision to operate the vehicle in an unsafe condition.

I don't see this being any different as driving the car with three wheels then being SURPRISED when something bad happens.

Then telling the insurance company about ALL the times you've driven the car with three wheels and had absolutely no issue.

Then the adjuster saying, "Umm...sir? You're driving the car with THREE WHEELS (...replace with 'chronically underinflated tires'). What did you think would happen?"

 

The spray can dot alignment tutorial that got locked was probably his best work.

 

How is the adjuster going to know who he is, lol!?

 

Dunno.

If I was an adjuster and I had a Crayola Blue (look up the color and tell me it doesn't match his avatar) C3 Corvette wrecked by a mid-60's retired Mechanical Engineer (just look for the person with a thermometer in his shirt pocket) in or around Midland, Texas that had 255/60-R15 tires on it, then I'd at least ask the question. At least to the point of taking the pressure of the remaining tires.

I mean...what OTHER person runs 20 PSI in their tires? That's as positive of an ID as any passport...

EVERYONE is looking to save money. I'm absolutely positive that the insurance community is not naive to the existence of forums. This forum, among a handful of others, is probably the largest centralized repository of Corvette owners out there. If that one individual that is tasked with combating insurance fraud by scouring the forums catches 3 or 4 people a year, then he's paid for his salary, and then some. No question it would be a good business decision. And I'd be extremely surprised if it wasn't already happening.

This is all my opinion and speculation. I'm just having a conversation at this point.

My point really is that this one individual is making a decision to DEFLATE his tires so his car rides better. Period. I just don't buy the tire wear part of it.

 

If any of you are running the big 225 thru 255X60R15's you'll find out at the 15,000 mile mark when you see their centers are almost gone when their sides still have half their tread left. If you want to run your tires at near maximum pressures for a vehicle that weighs in the mid 3000# range go ahead because its your choice. That's what makes America great as you can do whatever you want as long as you don't infringe on other people's rights.

 

How many years do you get out of your tires before you change them?

 

A photo of someone is on his profile page. They can start there.

OH HECK...I got sucked back in.

NOW we get into the debate/discussion that even if TooBrokes 'idea' of tire pressure standards allows him to get 10 years of tire life and still have great tread....then....WHEN should he replace the tires when they have passed the 'normal' length of time that tires should be replaced due to AGE and NOT tire wear.

And I also agree with 'kevininspace' and it really pisses me off when a person throws around there professional title of 'whatever'....especially when their professional title does not apply to what is being discussed...specifically. It is great when people are proud of what they accomplished. I get that. But thinking that just because they went through a specific curriculum...they somehow have ALL the knowledge about everything and want to be acknowledged as being the ONE who knows it all.....especially when their career does not directly apply. I have 'locked horns' with a few people like that. What generally ends up happening is they show that they need to be quiet and TRY to learn something new.

DUB

 

Please give me your definition(s) of "under inflated" so we're all on the same page.

 

getting sucked back in too.....unfortunately.
DUB be careful you may find that what you have been doing your whole professional career is wrong...you may get schooled by the ME of the correct way you need to do it.

sorry I find this thread now nothing but a big joke and have nothing of sheer use to add.

Volumes are different from a smaller tire to larger and likewise. Pressure is still pressure BFG DOES NOT recommend 20 psi in the rears do I need to say any more?
The weights of the cars have changed over the years steadily going up. The weight distribution is fairly balanced front to rear. TBTR states his rear is less....hmmm so how much does your c3 weigh? have you scaled the front and rear weights? 26 is recommended but certainly not the 20 that you state.

Have fun I'm just going to clean my headlights and remove my double pumper because I heard I cant run it on a street car.

 

You can't be serious.....it IS self explanatory. It is an OXYMORON! OH...wait a minute...did I write that.

I KNOW...I KNOW.....HECK....Hundreds of Corvettes that I have to get back in my shop and do all over again 'the correct way'....NOT! I have learned that WHAT I KNOW....is just that. What I know. And if 'some people' choose to NOT 'get with the times and technology'....when it can be beneficial.....well....hope they have learned that cars now have a starter that can crank the engine by turning a key instead of being in front of it turning a crank to start it....imagine that.

DUB

 

Well, I guess we can take it straight from the mouth of the tire manufacturer, BF Goodrich...26 PSI is the lowest pressure starting point. This was recommended to a fellow forum member to start tuning his tires for his car. By the tire manufacturer.

 

Two different professional sources that happen to recommend the exact same minimum cold PSI.

Unfortunately, I forgot to ask the tech if he was a mechanical engineer.

We can probably expect another gem like this from toobroke-
"I wouldn't care if you found 100,000 people who would claim I'm wrong but that wouldn't faze me a bit. Right is right and wrong is wrong and I'm right. "

 

That was a gem, wasn't it?

I don't know many people with the stones to make a declaration like that.

 

Under inflated is when you ruin your tires by wearing out the shoulders and sidewallsof the tire. What does it say for "Cold Tire Pressure" on the door of your '82 or was that BS too. It says 35psi cold front and rear on my '80

 

Dang it! Now I have to go out and look at mine.

 

Just for giggles, I checked my wife's grocery getter today. She has a pretty stout little car weighing in at 3,252 lbs a little less than my Vette. Her little Hyundae Sonata has a 2.0L turbo producing 276 hp and will flat get up. I can smoke the tires in first gear and chirp the tires in 2nd and 3rd. (Don't tell her.) All this goodness has a 6 speed dual clutch automatic transmission with paddle shifters. Now the best part, the meats are 235/45R/18 Kumho Solus all season radials. The door jam says 34 psi on all 4 corners. This is not max pressure it is running pressure. Plus the smart Korean engineers put an electronic gizmo in the dash to warn me if the pressure gets 3 lbs low on any corner. And after 13,000 miles there is no sign of center wearing period.

 

While you don't infringe on anybodies rights you sure do make a feeble attempt -weak intellectually- to convince the other people on this forum, as I've stated before, that your way is the only way. Take a moment and realize that time and technology have passed you by. I'll bet you still can't believe your professor when he tried to teach you, at whatever school you got your so called degree, that 2+2= 4. Not 3.98.