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Old Jul 10, 2016 | 11:15 AM
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When I was disassembling the T-molding on the center support getting ready for paint last year, I noticed there was plumbers putty underneath the molding. Was that there for sealing or anti-rattle purposes. Getting ready for reassembly and don't want any leaks or rattles. It was also between the two A pillar moldings. Anyone know where and how much to apply. There was some rust at the rear of the T-molding, and I don't know how the water is supposed to drain from that area, because it is relatively flat. I don't want to block water from draining. Should I use clear silicone and run a small bead around the outside perimeter of all the T-top trim along with the putty underneath. Any experience with this type of thing would be appreciated.
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Should I use clear silicone and run a small bead around the outside perimeter of all the T-top trim along with the putty underneath. Any experience with this type of thing would be appreciated.


Yes, I would. On every T Tops I've either disassembled or put back together I've used a discreet amount of sealant prevented leaks, rattles and wind noise.


Just a thin, unbroken seal line will do- don't want it squishing out the sides!
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Yes, I would. On every T Tops I've either disassembled or put back together I've used a discreet amount of sealant prevented leaks, rattles and wind noise.


Just a thin, unbroken seal line will do- don't want it squishing out the sides!
Is the plumbers putty still a good choice, (probably didn't have many options in 68), or today's silicones. I think the putty would be good for the vibrations because it is pretty thick, and the silicone would probably work better for sealing between the two A-pillar moldings.
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Sorry, not sure what plumbers putty is--- I've never used it.


I'm a fan of clear silicone, easy to apply, sets quickly and molds nicely to contours. I don't think you can go wrong.
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I don't think it's plumbers putty, but rather ribbon sealer. You can get it at any auto parts store.



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Sorry, not sure what plumbers putty is--- I've never used it.


I'm a fan of clear silicone, easy to apply, sets quickly and molds nicely to contours. I don't think you can go wrong.
It's used for sink drains and I guess old vettes, lol. What,s nice about it is, when you push something down in it, it stays there, and it doesn't harden even after 48 years. Silicone takes a little longer to set up to hold in place. Thanks for your quick responses to my posts. I think I'll use a combo of both. Underneath the center T-molding there is some contours that have a pretty good gap between the body and molding where the putty would hold things together pretty firmly to reduce any movement, same with the bottom trim around the A-pillar frame. The rest of the trim I think I'll go with the clear silicone. Thanks again.
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I don't think it's plumbers putty, but rather ribbon sealer. You can get it at any auto parts store.



No, it was plumbers putty, light gray in color, and not uniform in shape, at least it looked and felt like putty to me, but that ribbon looks like a good choice also, might have to look at that also. How thick is that stuff, about an 1/8th or so?
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Hi,
I found something that I'd describe as similar to plumber's putty or window glass glazing on my 71.
It placement on the ss trim would have put it on the rear side of the lip in the windshield header that the ss trim clips over.
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My thought is that the cracks formed in it as the material aged and shrank.
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Originally Posted by Alan 71
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I found something that I'd describe as similar to plumber's putty or window glass glazing on my 71.
It placement on the ss trim would have put it on the rear side of the lip in the windshield header that the ss trim clips over.
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My thought is that the cracks formed in it as the material aged and shrank.
Yeah, that looks more like that seal ribbon stuff, the stuff I found in my molding was still pliable and not cracked, and cleaned up pretty easily, and seemed to protect the metal well, because there was almost no rust anywhere except one area above the rear glass just to the rear of the center T-top molding
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Originally Posted by wrencher60
No, it was plumbers putty, light gray in color, and not uniform in shape, at least it looked and felt like putty to me, but that ribbon looks like a good choice also, might have to look at that also. How thick is that stuff, about an 1/8th or so?
No, it is not plumbers' putty, although it looks very similar.

It is 3M 08578 Strip Caulk (Dum Dum)
Available in grey or black had has been used in a lot of areas by all car manufacturers over the years. Not used much since the 80s.
It can dry out and crack over many years, but usually not.
Available at any auto paint supplier.

BTW, the 3M ribbon sealer is the old time windshield adhesive, no longer used and has to be cut out.
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No, it is not plumbers' putty, although it looks very similar.

It is 3M 08578 Strip Caulk (Dum Dum)
Available in grey or black had has been used in a lot of areas by all car manufacturers over the years. Not used much since the 80s.
It can dry out and crack over many years, but usually not.
Available at any auto paint supplier.

BTW, the 3M ribbon sealer is the old time windshield adhesive, no longer used and has to be cut out.
Thanks for the great info, didn't really think it was plumber's putty, but it sure looked a lot like it. I'll look for the 08578 Strip caulk, cause if that was what was used and it held up for 48 years, then it was pretty good stuff. Thanks
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Hi,
I would have a difficult time describing this material as gray "dum-dum".
This is a saved sample of the original material shown in my photo of the large piece of ss roof panel trim.
Plumber's putty or glazier's putty.
A material similar to "strip caulk" was also used, but this isn't it.
Regards,
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THIS is the material used that's similar to todays 3M strip caulk.
Note it's still sticky and stretchy.





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Originally Posted by Alan 71
Hi,
I would have a difficult time describing this material as gray "dum-dum".
This is a saved sample of the original material shown in my photo of the large piece of ss roof panel trim.
Plumber's putty or glazier's putty.
A material similar to "strip caulk" was also used, but this isn't it.
Regards,
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THIS is the material used that's similar to todays 3M strip caulk.
Note it's still sticky and stretchy.




That's the stuff that I found in my trim in the same areas, so it is plumbers' putty. Good to know, and yes it was still pliable and sticky. Seemed to fill it's purpose nicely over the years. Thanks for the great photos. I kind of thought someone out there had seen this stuff before, somewhere besides the kitchen sink or around the old wooden window panes.
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Installing caulking that was used at the factory 50 years ago doesn't really make any 'practical' sense, IF your intent is to have something there that will seal leaks. Modern synthetic rubber materials (like the 'ribbon' sealant) are much better suited to sealing AND remaining viable for many decades.

If it is important for you to know (yourself ONLY) that 'factory correct' sealant was used, by all means, go for it (if you can actually find the same stuff). Otherwise, use better stuff that is easier to apply and works much better.

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If you install that trim with a bead of silicone don't plan on ever getting it off without bending it . JMO Bill
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Silicone caulk is for house windows and bathtubs...and little else.

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Originally Posted by Alan 71
Hi,
I would have a difficult time describing this material as gray "dum-dum".
This is a saved sample of the original material shown in my photo of the large piece of ss roof panel trim.
Plumber's putty or glazier's putty.
A material similar to "strip caulk" was also used, but this isn't it.
Regards,
Alan


THIS is the material used that's similar to todays 3M strip caulk.
Note it's still sticky and stretchy.
I worked on these cars in the early 70s and the 3M strip caulk was all that was used for repair as it closely resembled the original factory material.
Apparently at the factory, it came bulk in 3 ft rolls, not a retail box of course. Commonly known as body caulking compound or nick named dum dum. It does stay pliable and sticky all these years

You should know that plumbers putty or window glaze will NOT stay pliable for 40+ years, but will dry out, harden and crack.
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Originally Posted by 7T1vette
Installing caulking that was used at the factory 50 years ago doesn't really make any 'practical' sense, IF your intent is to have something there that will seal leaks. Modern synthetic rubber materials (like the 'ribbon' sealant) are much better suited to sealing AND remaining viable for many decades.

If it is important for you to know (yourself ONLY) that 'factory correct' sealant was used, by all means, go for it (if you can actually find the same stuff). Otherwise, use better stuff that is easier to apply and works much better.
So it sounds like the 3M strip caulk is out of date and "ribbon sealer" is the stuff that replaces it, and it will work and last as good as the factory stuff which was referred to as dum dum back in the 70's. Seems like it is harder to figure out what to use for the trim than it was to dismantle the whole car. I hope the rest of the reassembly goes a little easier than this, lol.
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