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Old Oct 9, 2016 | 10:58 AM
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Anyone make a throttle body the replaces a Q jet. Spread bore. No adaptor plate. All I have found are ones that replace the Holley square bore carbs.
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None that I'm aware of. I went from Q-Jet to TB EFI on a ZZ4 intake.
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The fitech will bolt onto a quadrajet intake, but I think they recommend still using an adaptor for better flow?
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Old Oct 11, 2016 | 12:48 PM
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The fitech will bolt onto a quadrajet intake, but I think they recommend still using an adaptor for better flow?
It will bolt onto a factory Q-Jet intake? I'm skeptical...



If it's like a regular square bore carb, the bolts won't line up and you'll get significant interference on the primary throttle blades.
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Just contact the EFI manufacturer to see if they make one to replace the Q-jet. Since almost ALL GM cars made between 1965 and 1980 had Q-jets on them, I would be amazed if they didn't have the unit you need.
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Just contact the EFI manufacturer to see if they make one to replace the Q-jet. Since almost ALL GM cars made between 1965 and 1980 had Q-jets on them, I would be amazed if they didn't have the unit you need.
What's really interesting is that MSD Atomic EFI is a CARB legal system for GM cars that had a Q-Jet (electronic or mechanical) from the factory. Yet, there aren't any E.O.'d dual pattern intakes... which means the CARB approved these MSD kit on an "illegal" intake.
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What's really interesting is that MSD Atomic EFI is a CARB legal system for GM cars that had a Q-Jet (electronic or mechanical) from the factory. Yet, there aren't any E.O.'d dual pattern intakes... which means the CARB approved these MSD kit on an "illegal" intake.
I thought it was approved while mounted to the stock intake?
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I thought it was approved while mounted to the stock intake?
It'd need an adapter to fit the stock intake.

There're probably at least a few cars in the "all GM cars with a QuadraJet" group that could fit that throttle body and adapter, but Corvettes certainly aren't one of them.
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Oh gotcha. I've been bouncing the idea of getting that kit in my head for awhile.
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https://arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/devices/eo/D-722.pdf

It was tested on a Chevy Impala:
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I like mine so far. Are you near me? (Santa Clara)
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Originally Posted by Shark Racer
I like mine so far. Are you near me? (Santa Clara)
I'm in Salinas, so not too far. Plus I work in Mountain View, haven't driven the Vette to work yet though, working up to that part
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Originally Posted by Shark Racer
What's really interesting is that MSD Atomic EFI is a CARB legal system for GM cars that had a Q-Jet (electronic or mechanical) from the factory. Yet, there aren't any E.O.'d dual pattern intakes... which means the CARB approved these MSD kit on an "illegal" intake.
Sucks to live in Kalifornia.
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Originally Posted by Shark Racer
It will bolt onto a factory Q-Jet intake? I'm skeptical...



If it's like a regular square bore carb, the bolts won't line up and you'll get significant interference on the primary throttle blades.
It has holes to suit both. Bottom of the page here:



"Note that the Fitech throttle body will bolt directly to a spread bore 4-BBL manifold but may leak without the adapter plate."

You can sort of see the mounting holes here:



No idea about the throttle blades though. They may well be the reason for suggesting an adapter plate is needed.
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Thanks! I thought they might have done that, but I couldn't imagine how the throttle blades would have worked.
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Maybe the throttle blades are higher in the throttle body, allowing them to clear? Or maybe not, and it actually does need the adapter (the wording in the instructions makes me wonder if it's actually needed or if they're just covering themselves). If I have it off the engine again then I'll have a look to satisfy my curiosity.

Edit: Looking at the 1st manifold you pictured, the gasket provided wouldn't seal between the holes (it's an open square gasket) and so wouldn't seal that manifold around the front of the carb/throttle body. It possibly might seal to the 2nd manifold, hard to know without comparing in person.

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This is all conjecture. Contact the manufacturer...if you really want to know what's up with the spreadbore manifold situation. Otherwise, talk on.....
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I don't care, I'm not using it with a spreadbore. Just trying to help the op?
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Originally Posted by Metalhead140
I don't care, I'm not using it with a spreadbore. Just trying to help the op?
I, personally, appreciated your pictures and info.

One thing is for sure - without a dual pattern manifold, there will be problems with the throttle blades. Either they design them to fit both styles and the primaries are spread-bore sized and recessed, or they are square-bore sized, recessed, and you get fairly significant turbulence as the inbound air charge slams into the smaller opening at the intake manifold.
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Originally Posted by Shark Racer
One thing is for sure - without a dual pattern manifold, there will be problems with the throttle blades. Either they design them to fit both styles and the primaries are spread-bore sized and recessed, or they are square-bore sized, recessed, and you get fairly significant turbulence as the inbound air charge slams into the smaller opening at the intake manifold.
Agreed. And all throttle blades are the same size. It's definitely going to work better on a square bore manifold. I expect it would work fine on a dual pattern intake.
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