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Always install new HFT lifters with new HFT cam ... that why I suggest a kit ... cheap $112
Hi-octane? ... maybe ... cam choice matters ... longer duration effectively bleeds off some compression.
Hi-octane? ... maybe ... cam choice matters ... longer duration effectively bleeds off some compression.
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Raise the compression and head flow. Trick flow sells some 60cc double hump 175 cc heads made for all low compression small blocks
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As stated.....put a real camshaft in it.....the Goodwrench 350 had the 305 H.O. camshaft in it.....tiny. The 268H Comp is perfect for this.....even at 8 to 1 compression, it works.
Do not waste time on that L-82.....nothing there worth salvaging if it has a broken rod.....the heads are not that great either, 2.02 valve or not.....they are just as good as the heads on the Goodwrench engine.
Read this: http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/463...-engine-build/ Part 1
http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/463...gine-build-ii/ Part 2
Part 2 utilizes the 268H camshaft and pocket ports the heads.....with intake,cam,pocket port and long tube headers....this made 336 horsepower...or on par with a 69 350/350.
I also believe that the ZZ4/L98 head is a waste of time too.....they do not flow any better and have a funky exhaust D-port pattern that some headers do not work with.....even with the 1.5 to 1 compression boost...they are only worth 20-25 horsepower...and that is ALL compression. Typically you will see 15 horsepower per point of compression.
This part explains the L98 head...a waste of money: http://www.corvettefaq.com/c3/goodwrench/gm3503.htm
Jebby
Do not waste time on that L-82.....nothing there worth salvaging if it has a broken rod.....the heads are not that great either, 2.02 valve or not.....they are just as good as the heads on the Goodwrench engine.
Read this: http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/463...-engine-build/ Part 1
http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/463...gine-build-ii/ Part 2
Part 2 utilizes the 268H camshaft and pocket ports the heads.....with intake,cam,pocket port and long tube headers....this made 336 horsepower...or on par with a 69 350/350.
I also believe that the ZZ4/L98 head is a waste of time too.....they do not flow any better and have a funky exhaust D-port pattern that some headers do not work with.....even with the 1.5 to 1 compression boost...they are only worth 20-25 horsepower...and that is ALL compression. Typically you will see 15 horsepower per point of compression.
This part explains the L98 head...a waste of money: http://www.corvettefaq.com/c3/goodwrench/gm3503.htm
Jebby
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As for the rockers. You can reuse, but for a small amount of money you can simulate a larger cam with 1.6 rockers and take some friction away. Basically you can get a few more degrees of duration @.050 lift and alittle more lift at the valves. That’s a personal call there.
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You actually have 2 sets to choose from if you include the L-82 engine pieces. The L-82 has hardened push rods and guide plates and screw in rocker studs. If the parts are still good and they are compatible with your head choice and cam style, you can consider them, Depends on your other choices and condition of the pieces.
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From the other thread:
"In 1978, there were only 382 units built of L82+M20+GV4 (that’s the G95) so they are going to be super rare."
in 1978, there were only 33XX 4 speeds in total made with the L-82 90% were the BW close ratio......
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I would say think about what you want from the car.
For example. I bought 2 Targetmaster 350's when they came out in 78 and again in 80. These were USA made to my knowledge and they went into my street vettes I used for daily use. The 78 I just pulled the nylon timing gear out, installed a Streetmaster intake and dialed in the Q-Jet. I ran great, had all the power I needed to drive everyday, got 16mpg on trips driving 65 mph with 370 gears, and really was a nice engine right up to the day I stupidly sold the car.
The 80 engine went into my 69 M20 336 vette. Again swapped out the timing set for a double roller, used an SP2P intake w/ Q-jet, Stock exhaust and drove it all over the place. Was it a drag car no not at all but it kept up no problem, I never had a problem with it, got 18 mpg at 65 with the 336's, and put 18k miles on it before my son took it, slapped on WP iron heads, a mini blower, cam, and headers and beat that crap out of it to date. The bottom end is all stock and I am surprised it didn't break yet. He blew up two 4 speeds, twisted the driveshaft, imploded a 355 diff, ran a 411 super 10, bent 1350 12 bolt axles, ripped the snubber bracket from the frame and yet that engine is still together. Still has the blower, now a Tremic, and a 1480 12 bolt I built him, the only thing that finally stopped him was 2 kids and a mortgage!!!!
Now my friend bought later versions that were made in Mx and they did not last, had a lot of valvetrain issues so what can I say. That L82 would be a good foundation to build a nice street eng like Jeff did but even with you doing the work it will cost a lot more then a $1000. The more power you have and drive it hard the more weak areas south of the flywheel you will find. Me, I would use the 268 cam setup and drive it.
Good luck
For example. I bought 2 Targetmaster 350's when they came out in 78 and again in 80. These were USA made to my knowledge and they went into my street vettes I used for daily use. The 78 I just pulled the nylon timing gear out, installed a Streetmaster intake and dialed in the Q-Jet. I ran great, had all the power I needed to drive everyday, got 16mpg on trips driving 65 mph with 370 gears, and really was a nice engine right up to the day I stupidly sold the car.
The 80 engine went into my 69 M20 336 vette. Again swapped out the timing set for a double roller, used an SP2P intake w/ Q-jet, Stock exhaust and drove it all over the place. Was it a drag car no not at all but it kept up no problem, I never had a problem with it, got 18 mpg at 65 with the 336's, and put 18k miles on it before my son took it, slapped on WP iron heads, a mini blower, cam, and headers and beat that crap out of it to date. The bottom end is all stock and I am surprised it didn't break yet. He blew up two 4 speeds, twisted the driveshaft, imploded a 355 diff, ran a 411 super 10, bent 1350 12 bolt axles, ripped the snubber bracket from the frame and yet that engine is still together. Still has the blower, now a Tremic, and a 1480 12 bolt I built him, the only thing that finally stopped him was 2 kids and a mortgage!!!!
Now my friend bought later versions that were made in Mx and they did not last, had a lot of valvetrain issues so what can I say. That L82 would be a good foundation to build a nice street eng like Jeff did but even with you doing the work it will cost a lot more then a $1000. The more power you have and drive it hard the more weak areas south of the flywheel you will find. Me, I would use the 268 cam setup and drive it.
Good luck
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I would say think about what you want from the car.
For example. I bought 2 Targetmaster 350's when they came out in 78 and again in 80. These were USA made to my knowledge and they went into my street vettes I used for daily use. The 78 I just pulled the nylon timing gear out, installed a Streetmaster intake and dialed in the Q-Jet. I ran great, had all the power I needed to drive everyday, got 16mpg on trips driving 65 mph with 370 gears, and really was a nice engine right up to the day I stupidly sold the car.
The 80 engine went into my 69 M20 336 vette. Again swapped out the timing set for a double roller, used an SP2P intake w/ Q-jet, Stock exhaust and drove it all over the place. Was it a drag car no not at all but it kept up no problem, I never had a problem with it, got 18 mpg at 65 with the 336's, and put 18k miles on it before my son took it, slapped on WP iron heads, a mini blower, cam, and headers and beat that crap out of it to date. The bottom end is all stock and I am surprised it didn't break yet. He blew up two 4 speeds, twisted the driveshaft, imploded a 355 diff, ran a 411 super 10, bent 1350 12 bolt axles, ripped the snubber bracket from the frame and yet that engine is still together. Still has the blower, now a Tremic, and a 1480 12 bolt I built him, the only thing that finally stopped him was 2 kids and a mortgage!!!!
Now my friend bought later versions that were made in Mx and they did not last, had a lot of valvetrain issues so what can I say. That L82 would be a good foundation to build a nice street eng like Jeff did but even with you doing the work it will cost a lot more then a $1000. The more power you have and drive it hard the more weak areas south of the flywheel you will find. Me, I would use the 268 cam setup and drive it.
Good luck
For example. I bought 2 Targetmaster 350's when they came out in 78 and again in 80. These were USA made to my knowledge and they went into my street vettes I used for daily use. The 78 I just pulled the nylon timing gear out, installed a Streetmaster intake and dialed in the Q-Jet. I ran great, had all the power I needed to drive everyday, got 16mpg on trips driving 65 mph with 370 gears, and really was a nice engine right up to the day I stupidly sold the car.
The 80 engine went into my 69 M20 336 vette. Again swapped out the timing set for a double roller, used an SP2P intake w/ Q-jet, Stock exhaust and drove it all over the place. Was it a drag car no not at all but it kept up no problem, I never had a problem with it, got 18 mpg at 65 with the 336's, and put 18k miles on it before my son took it, slapped on WP iron heads, a mini blower, cam, and headers and beat that crap out of it to date. The bottom end is all stock and I am surprised it didn't break yet. He blew up two 4 speeds, twisted the driveshaft, imploded a 355 diff, ran a 411 super 10, bent 1350 12 bolt axles, ripped the snubber bracket from the frame and yet that engine is still together. Still has the blower, now a Tremic, and a 1480 12 bolt I built him, the only thing that finally stopped him was 2 kids and a mortgage!!!!
Now my friend bought later versions that were made in Mx and they did not last, had a lot of valvetrain issues so what can I say. That L82 would be a good foundation to build a nice street eng like Jeff did but even with you doing the work it will cost a lot more then a $1000. The more power you have and drive it hard the more weak areas south of the flywheel you will find. Me, I would use the 268 cam setup and drive it.
Good luck
My L-82 rebuilt with me doing the engine removal/install, buying all the best parts (AFR heads, Howards Roller cam, JE Forged racing pistons), reusing the L-82 reconditioned forged crank, L-82 reconditioned rods, L-82 ported aluminum intake, comp cams double roller timing chain from the L-82 by me, comp cams 1.52 roller tipped rockers, melling oil pump, AC delco fuel, pump, Felpro gaskets , RAM HDX clutch kit, reconditioned OEM flywheel, motor mounts, etc about $5,500 all in with builders machine work and expertise in areas, maybe a bit less. The funny thing is that the L-82 is a great foundation to build an easy 425-450 Gross HP street engine with today's parts. Can't imagine the number of L-82's junked over the years unnecessarily because the engines potential was not realised to utilize the basic forged foundation of these motors..............Shame
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I dont think a lot of people realized they had a decent crank, 4 bolt mains etc
Back then it was just a smog motor to most & offerings of roller cams, good heads just werent what they are today. Getting 400hp out of a 350 was a chore and 12/13 sec cars were a big deal
Back then it was just a smog motor to most & offerings of roller cams, good heads just werent what they are today. Getting 400hp out of a 350 was a chore and 12/13 sec cars were a big deal
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Hey everyone. Thanks for all the info. I've learned a lot this weekend with your help. It sounds like putting in a new cam is gonna be the most bang for the buck I can get, and if I'm limited in budget to $1k right now, maybe I should just focus on the cam and put some extra money into a roller cam?
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Hey everyone. Thanks for all the info. I've learned a lot this weekend with your help. It sounds like putting in a new cam is gonna be the most bang for the buck I can get, and if I'm limited in budget to $1k right now, maybe I should just focus on the cam and put some extra money into a roller cam?
AKAIK, so far, GM has not.
When you put a large cam in a motor having relatively low compression, you are repeating the most common error in cam choices.
In addition to their lifters, Roller camshaft itself is much more pricey than a flat tappet shaft.
Don't think anyone would want to buy a small roller shaft ... then buy a larger one after upping compression.
? How about save that $1K for now; and begin saving for better heads? Choose & Install heads and cam in concert.
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This may not be the answer you are looking for, but I wouldn't touch that engine with a $1K budget. You will blow through that and more, and then make compromises you regret later.
You already have a 4-speed, so go drive your car! The low hanging fruit is a Lars-style ignition tune, which could be free, or a few $hundred if you need to replace everything. Then put the rest into suspension mods. Not sexy, but your car will feel a lot faster, and you will be better prepared for more power.
Nothing feels worse then spending money twice, or doing work twice, to solve a problem. Figure out where you want your car to be in a few years, and only fix the what you can afford to do correctly the first time. Good luck!
You already have a 4-speed, so go drive your car! The low hanging fruit is a Lars-style ignition tune, which could be free, or a few $hundred if you need to replace everything. Then put the rest into suspension mods. Not sexy, but your car will feel a lot faster, and you will be better prepared for more power.
Nothing feels worse then spending money twice, or doing work twice, to solve a problem. Figure out where you want your car to be in a few years, and only fix the what you can afford to do correctly the first time. Good luck!
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