If you want looks, they cant be beat.
Yeah some late 70's to early 80's are not that fast of the line but to end and passing is very impressive.
Any car under 7 sec to 60 is pretty quick on the street.
Thats quicker than allot of muscle cars times i see in the old test results.
Anything can be made to go fast but what about the car, the look, the style, the way it makes you feel is just as important as 0-60, sometimes more to some people.

 

I have been seriously looking at 348 Ferrari's I like the look of the 308 and the 328 GTS however the performance is lacking, those are old cars. Very comparable to the Corvettes of the same vintage though. A 77 Corvette wasn't fast either. My plan is to buy a 348 Spider, red over tan and I really don't care how fast it is. They do have 300 horsepower weigh 3020lbs have a manual trans and a 4:34 rear gear though so it would have to run decent. You can buy a NICE 348 Spider for 40K or LESS. The maintenance will be performed by the same guy who does all the work on my Corvette..... ME I'll mod that ****er too !

 

$20K in A C4 ZR-1 would make a car that could run with about anything. 427 stroker LT-5 or a 441 LT-5 would produce 550+ rear wheel HP. A 550 only runs a 12.2 to 12.4 qtr and my 92 Z has posted those times with only headers and a ported intake.

Don't get me wrong, Ferrari'\s are incredible cars, but you could certainly build a very competive C4 for the cash. Hell you can pick up a 05 Mercedes CL600 for $30K these days with 495hp and 590ftlbs of torque(boosted 12 cyl) that can run will most Ferraris.

Would you attract the attention a Ferrari does, nope....could your run with one most of their higher production cars....certainly.

 

I would put an I DISAGREE smiley but there isn't one. Somebody needs to fix that

There are many definitions of what it means to "run with" something.

Can a CL600 or a big cube LT5 beat a Ferrari in a straight line. Sure. A $1000 Fox body Mustang with a little engine work could beat one in a straight line. BUT... What happens when you have to turn or stop? The big bodied Benz is immediately out of that equation and the C4 is questionable at best. How much money would it take to build a C4 that could run as fast and reliable as any one of many Ferrari cars in all aspects of performance i.e. on a road course? Your cost has just gone up exponentially compared to beating them in a straight line. If you are talking about the 308, 328, etc than it can be done but the original statement was ANY stock Ferrari. In that case $20k isn't going to do it. I have built my track car on about as tight a budget as I could possibly have used and I am over $20k. There are quite a few stock Ferrari cars out there that are still much faster.

 

The 328 with the four valve head runs better than I thought, 270bhp and 0-60mph in 5.5 seconds. You won't get much love for Ferrari's on here however I like them. I like all sorts of stuff,

 

A DRM 383 with coilovers posts better numbers than most ferrari's 72MPH in the slalom, 1G in lateral accel test, 1/4 in 12.5.

ZR-1 SS...... 60-0 braking 111ft, 1.04G, Slalom 70MPH.

Most impressive 0-100-0 in 12.8secs......in comparison Ruf 993 Turbo 13.07, Diablo GT 13.35, 550 Maranello 15.37.


As far a reliability 175MPH for 24hrs...not bad, that included a stop to change a radiator hose.

I know, I'm not a track guy, and sure I might be blinded by my passion for the ZR-1.....you probably know more, but the stats don't show it. How many Ferrari's have you run at the track?(not being a Smartazz just curioius). Neither Ferrari nor Lambo have done well until of late of GT type cars....Prodrive, etc....GT1 was competitive this year.

 

I think one major factor in this conversation is what you are starting with. In my original post I was going with $20k TOTAL when I said that it couldn't be done and I will stick to that 100%. However, after re-reading the posts leading up to mine I see now that it might have been $20k on top of the C4 you are starting with. If you are talking about $20k on top of say a ZR-1 that has no mechanical issues then that changes a lot and I will in turn change what I said just a bit. You could build a ballz out car that would hold it's own pretty well.

$0 Lose a lot of weight
$2-$3k brakes
$5k+ suspension (coil overs, sways, misc. bars, bushings, etc)
$5k misc. (reliability, cooling, etc.)
$2k aero/body
??? engine

That is nowhere close to scientific but it comes out to close to $20k. Most likely more than $20k depending on what route you take with power. Some of those numbers could go lower and some higher of course depending on how creative you are.

If you assume 500 rwhp which is relatively stout for C4 platforms, then my guess is that you would be on par with a relatively stock C6Z on slicks, perhaps a little faster based solely on hp/weight.

Basing on established numbers and track times by pros rather than my amateur self, you would still be behind quite a few Ferraris (430 Scuderia, 599 GTB Fiorano, Enzo, and FXX come to mind right off the bat) You can include a few more if they are allowed to be on the same tires as our hypothetical C4 badazz.

Again, this isn't to say that you couldn't make a wicked fast C4, but to beat ANY Ferrari is a very bold statement. Fun to think about either way.

EDIT: Forgot to answer your other question. The only Ferraris that I have been on track with were both older stock 360s and both were on treaded tires. I was faster overall in the C4, but they were both very impressively fast for stock cars.

 

On an interesting social note the one I was behind last night was attempting to get into the left hand turn lane to turn west on Tropicanna from Las Vegas Blvd. The majority of drivers will let you in but NO ONE was letting this dude in. I think it was jealous envy. Finally a guy in a big 4wd Ford truck let him in to turn. Heck, any car lover would have done that.
I only saw one C4 while here. Looked like a turquoise 88 with stock wheels that were chromed. It looked sweet. Saw an incredibly dirty black C6and a C5 Z06 on I215 that was flying by. The cars in front of him would part like the red sea as they let him through!
Quite cold here with temps dipping to 38 overnight and barely into the 50s during the day.
That parking garage at the Grand Rapids, Michigan Ford airport is going to feel real cold when I get in tomorrow night.

 

I like the Ferrari's but that's why I like the Vette too. They both have similar styling cues that GM built in for that very reason.

Notice that Red Ferrari photo in the earlier post and see the similarity in this Photo?

 

The wife and I were thinking of putting a 512TR on the list and then she heard about the engine-out every 15k miles. Back off the list...

 

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Would you attract the attention a Ferrari does, nope....could you run with one most of their higher production cars....certainly.[/QUOTE]


I was referring to higher produciton # cars 360, 430, 355, 348, TR, etc.

A stock C4 ZR-1 can run with a 348, TR, 355, or even a 360.

 

Rust is a major issue on these car also...although mainly on the early Testarossa....I check out Ferrari Chat all the time, great pics, but also interesting to see guys paying 48K for a car with rust.

 

The Ferrari Chat guys are cool - we've invited them to a couple of local forum events and seen Dinos, 400s, and 360s. They're like us, except they're spending 5 to 10 times as much on everything. Same concerns with aging electronics, less than competent service, hard to find parts, etc.

 

I think we are agreeing in a really strange way. My biggest gripe was with a single word in the original post... ANY.

Most, yes.

Any, no.

 

Here's a good read...

Comparison Test: 1984 Ferrari 308 GTSi vs. 2007 Kia Sedona EX

 

I remember the 1991 (I think) article that was a GMC Cyclone vs. a Ferrari (348?). Always thought that was awesome.

 

This was great: it was also funny watching the Edmunds folks have the 308 GTSi as long-term test car - like they usually do with a long-term test car. The link is here:

http://www.insideline.com/ferrari/30...rovalvole.html

lots of their issues will be familiar to some of us on C4 General.

 

As a Vette lover I dearly love my C4, but as a car lover ya gotta admit this is a beautiful freakin' piece of automotive art.

Wonder if you could find one of these with a trashed engine and drop an LT4 or LS something into it... woo hoo!

 

Why are we even talking about this in a vette forum?

 

Cause they're cars and they're cool and (I'm reaching here) the Ferrari 308 is why the C4 ended up with a targa top instead of a T-top?