Interesting, I always thought the GAGT's w/ the 3400 had well over 200hp. Well damn. Either way, the ones I've driven can haul some serious *** off the line.

I've had two 3.1 (not to be confused with 3100) and they were damn snappy cars off the line too. My buddies 3100 monte was pretty decent off the line. I've had some fun w/ the 3.8's... even had a SSEI w/ sc'd 3.8.... that bad boy would move. Until the stupid stock oil pump tanked on it during a wot backroads run

Agreed. Some people are better at carrying on conversations than others

 

well the DOHC was in the GTP Grandprixs and the Z Luminas. It ranged from 260 to 280 horse. Real gem of an engine in the 90s. It's actually one of the more popular Fiero swaps (lots of power, fairly light weight, swaps in easy). Boss I used to work with has a Z Lumina with the DOHC 3.4 and that thing hauled serious ***.

the 3.8 is a hell of a fun engine. Nice engine note as the rpms climb, torquey. Engine that responds well to modding too. I had a 3.8 Firebird that by the time I was done was making around 320 hp at the crank (was running in the mid 13s consistently) and was pondering going supercharged (There's an easy converstion to make an LT1 F body Procharger work on the 3.8)

Paul: I think that's what makes the Corvette what it is though. It's the bruce springsteen of the supercar world. and speaking of GT40s, those GT 40 Kit Cars :drool:

 

The only 3.4 I've driven was in gagt's.... so I guess I'll have to find a GP 3.4 to drive now

I had an old beretta gtz w/ manta head, manta cam etc and boy oh boy was that bad little bitch a sleeper

 

^Ya call the C7 a "Cavalier" earlier in the thread, then you brag about your Beretta?? Yikes.

The Z34 was 210 hp and did not haul ***. To wit; "0-60 mph (0–97 km/h) time of 7.5 seconds, a 1/4 mile (~400 m) time of 15.5 seconds"

The 3.1, 3100, 3400, 3800, 3800sc.....guys...NONE of these cars "haul serious ***"...or anything resembling that. The baddest of the bad, of all those **** boxes, is the sc'd 3800...rated at 250hp. 30 hp less than the Ferrari that started this whole thread.

 

The 3.8 does after you port it out fully, get some headers and full exhaust, put a cam in it and get it tuned. the 3.8 Series 2 in the birds and camaros did anyway, don't think you could quite get as much in terms of results out of the plastic intake 3.8s. Isn't all that uncommon for people to get down into the 13.30 and 20s after porting everything and putting a cam in it. All it needs at that point is a supercharger. And of course proving that anything can be made stupid fast...

 

I'm not the one bragging about the c7 being a worldclass contender. I never said the beretta was a world class contender. And the 3.4 grand am gt i drove w/ the trac control off had no issues lighting up all of 1st gear

Are you really trying to compare a 250hp w/ 30hp less, to a Ferrari that weights 1,000lbs less, and is 30 years old? Fair comparison. What kinda hp were Pontiacs making in the 80's?

 

You were both referring to stock versions of those motors above.

 

The good 'ol "Peel-O-meter", again. That's how it works w/front wheel drive cars. They peel out easily.



No. I'm pointing out cars that you said "hauled some serious ***", not one of them cracked 250 hp and they all weigh 3k plus. Anyway, no matter. As you were.

 

sluggish american cars... what can I say

 

What about the 5.0 mustang?

 

He said 'overall performance', not just going super fast in a straight line

I'd honestly say the l98 and 5.0 are neck in neck in terms of hp/mod ratio. BUT, the mustang wont handle worth a damn and the brakes are downright scary.

A full bolt on hci 5.0 makes somewhere around 300-340hp. A full bolt on hci l98 is probably in the 330-380 range. Corvette is far lower, lower drag, better gearing. I think the fox is lighter though.

 

Where is this site you are bragging about?

 

Put a 3.8 in a Fiero, even NA stock, and suddenly you've got something really fun on your hands.
the 3.8 SC in a Fiero is even better.

The engine itself? Not too shabby. (Particularly Series 2s.)
Both are still lighter than the 2.8 that the car came with too. So you're in a sub 2850lb car with 200 to 260 hp. And that's... "terrible" for you?

 

This must be the "Short Attention Span Theater". Where did I say that a 3.8 Fiero was terrible? YOU guys were talking about:And...
Soooo.....Not sure where I said that a SC'ed 3.8 in a Fiero would be "terrible". Maybe you can quote where I said that so that I can fix it?

 

My personal 3.8 was pretty well modded out before the firebird got hit (someone ran into it while it was parked).

You're blaming the engine, when it's the cars it was stuffed (without someone upping the ponies) in that was the problem

 

Nope. Wasn't "blaming the engine" at all. Nice work massacring my posts though. I was simply stating that cars that run 15.5's in the 1/4 are not cars that "haul serious ***". Blame what ever YOU want, I'm "blaming" you for claiming "haul ***" status on <250 horse cars that weigh >3000 lbs and run >15 seconds in the 1/4. Pretty simple really.

 

All I can say is that Vette fans catch a lot of flack for always using the value per dollar comparison (a Vette is a third the price of a Ferrari and very comparable in performance) but if that's not a fair or valid comparison than why can't a person who owns a Vette pick a fight with someone driving a Chevy volt? Or why don't viper guys pick on dodge stealth owners? Super cars are super cars and you pay super prices and expect super performance. Corvettes are sports cars and much more affordable than a Ferrari or Lamborghini and yes a top tier corvette can hang with them and yes it's a third of the price but if a Ferrari owner tries to race a z06 or zr1 and feels like he won bc he was a hair faster in a quarter mile or whatever the case may be, how good can you really feel? I guess pretty good if your wallet is fat enough to buy a Ferrari. Not sure if I made my point clear or not but essentially if you watch a alms race and see that all the cars race in classes, and cars are divided into classes by similar performance, and for years corvette and Ferrari were in a class together and I think if you look at the tally, corvette won more often than Ferrari and as we all know, corvettes cost less than a f430.

"Comparing a Ferrari to a TA/GN is like comparing a Rolex to a Timex, or a Thoroughbred to a Clydesdale: there are some regions of cross comparison, but their purpose and bulk of their value reside in different arenas."
Well said

 

I did some research on F-cars before I bought my 2011 Grand Sport a couple of years ago. In addition to not having a dealer within 300 miles, the GS would outperform that 25 year old rolling money pit for about the same price as they are asking. I would love to have a Ferrari someday, but a 328 wouldn't be it. Neither would a 348, 355 or 360. I would have to bust into the IRA to get one that I'd want, so I guess I'll just have to live with my crummy C7 convertible. [sigh]

 

LOL still at it huh? Funny thread.

 

Free entertainment but.......they still haven't talked about the Mazda RX7 yet?????