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Le Mans Master
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From: Castro Valley Calif.
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Originally Posted by ski_dwn_it
I have a life, a full time job, and a family just as many of you - in my free time, I try to learn as much as there is to learn about this tuning and try to bring it available for those of you that either have no desire to learn about it, or don't have the time to research and learn all there is to know.
Why don't you answer IMs after you get people's money?
Burning Brakes
Joined: Feb 2003
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From: Rolla Mo
Originally Posted by ski_dwn_it
Last reply from me:
Guys a few of you, spilling over from the TGO, and a few others here have a serious hard on to do whatever you can to make me look bad, which is perfectly fine. Have at it.
Guys a few of you, spilling over from the TGO, and a few others here have a serious hard on to do whatever you can to make me look bad, which is perfectly fine. Have at it.
Originally Posted by ski_dwn_it
Most of you that are making these statements about having poor fueling and other stuff setup, don't even have the basics comprehended let alone some of the more advanced things. You somehow have in your mind that you have it all figured out, when a few of you have basic questions (which is perfectly fine - no bash intended) on the simplest things like scanners.
Originally Posted by ski_dwn_it
A few of you have the notion that Tunercat has all there is to offer (which its a good program for basic changes - again no ill intended) - in the way of tuning capabilities. I don't know how else to explain that you are sadly mistaken and very nieve.
For a simple example since I have been paying close attention to what these guys have been doing, as previously mentioned (since most these guys are the ones that developed tuning and even branched off and are making systems like DFI etc): Right now there are TurboGN stock ECMs that have the capability of utilizing a WB02 for WOT fueling as well as cruise conditions. Yeah just like the new DFI 7.0
If a few of you think that this all comes via some simple changes in Tunercat, you are sadly mistaken - just like you believing that the only way fuel can be altered with the fueling tables you continue to rant about.
Here is one of the many posts there that shed some light on the capabilities you have (outside of tunercat). Read it then ask yourself if you would be happy if Jesse came here and offered this option to help save people from spending 1800 dollars for a DFI system. I am sure the TRUE reply would be "Yeah that would be great" - but I am sure a few of you would rather get the linch mob out after me instead.
http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/sho...hreadid=122516
For a simple example since I have been paying close attention to what these guys have been doing, as previously mentioned (since most these guys are the ones that developed tuning and even branched off and are making systems like DFI etc): Right now there are TurboGN stock ECMs that have the capability of utilizing a WB02 for WOT fueling as well as cruise conditions. Yeah just like the new DFI 7.0
If a few of you think that this all comes via some simple changes in Tunercat, you are sadly mistaken - just like you believing that the only way fuel can be altered with the fueling tables you continue to rant about.
Here is one of the many posts there that shed some light on the capabilities you have (outside of tunercat). Read it then ask yourself if you would be happy if Jesse came here and offered this option to help save people from spending 1800 dollars for a DFI system. I am sure the TRUE reply would be "Yeah that would be great" - but I am sure a few of you would rather get the linch mob out after me instead.
http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/sho...hreadid=122516
Originally Posted by ski_dwn_it
Everyone of you guys did not come to me because of all the horrible things you heard about me. You came to me for my assistance with a tune, because of all the GOOD things (results) you heard about with people using my tunes. You came to me because *I* spend the time to read posts like above and *listen* to guys like on this post that have a hell of a lot more time in tuning than even I do. There is a tremendous learning curve with this stuff. And as I said before, if you are just going to sit back and DEMAND answers from the people that actually take the HUGE amount of time it takes to understand these things, then you probably will not get many answers.
Originally Posted by ski_dwn_it
I have a life, a full time job, and a family just as many of you - in my free time, I try to learn as much as there is to learn about this tuning and try to bring it available for those of you that either have no desire to learn about it, or don't have the time to research and learn all there is to know.
Originally Posted by ski_dwn_it
I have done as many free chips, as ones that I have been paid for, or traded thing for. In the beginning a few of the guys insisted on paying me after getting results that they never were afforded after many other attempts with other tuners failed. As a result, and due to the increasing demand for these, I kept the same price these original guys set. I have not changed it, nor do I plan on it. Its 1/2 the price of what most others will charge and I try to extend the support to other areas outside of tuning - brad and ragtop93 I am sure you both can attest to this. Try to get one of the other tuners at 10pm to walk you through how to do simple things like set your base timing or explain that the reasons you are having problems is your VSS cable is not plugged in. They will tell you that there is nothing wrong with the tune, and DON"T call back. If you think I am wrong, try it.
Originally Posted by ski_dwn_it
While a few of you are trying your damnest to make me look like satans child, I think you need to take a step back and realize that there is a LOT more to tuning than any of you even realize, or than is posted at the TGO. The capabilities of what you can control with these ECM and the WAY you do it can vary greatly. In other words there is more than one way to skin a cat.
Originally Posted by ski_dwn_it
So in the end, realize that just like the time I am taking to learn all I can about this new method of utilizing the WB02 for better ways to manage fuel based on a stock ECM, you are probably enjoying your family, your car, or sitting on the couch watching TV or writing your next hate post to me.
Originally Posted by ski_dwn_it
I try to give each person I can the absolute best I can and beg no-one to use me as their tuner. The amount I charge barely makes the time I need to spend to keep up with this stuff and the time it take to pick up packages at the post office, the time it takes to do the tunes, the emails and certainly not these posts. However I truely love meeting new people and sharing in the excitement of a new setup, therefore I 100% try to give it my all and apply all I learn to each new setup or to reburns that I do for absolute free, 90% of the time people do not send the return shipping and I pay it out of my own pocket with little hesitation. On many occassions the people may have needed them back for a weekend race and I spent over 35 dollars of my own money to get it there in time. While I know some of you are going to say, yeah but you charge x amount - try that with others and I bet first off, they do not do the retune, and second they are not going to lift a finger to spend their money on shipping your tune back to you after they tell you they aren't redoing it.
At the end of the day fellas, I am not in this for the $$ like some of you say. Yeah I do charge, but as explained before, if it were not time consuming or required a considerable amount of devotion to keep up with the latest and greatest, or required a large learning curve, then why didn't you all just do your own tunes in the beginning afterall-you do know more about this than me. Expecting me to share this with you is as rediculous as me asking the individual in the above link to share all he knows with me immediately cause I demand. Regardless of the fact that you bought a chip from him utilizing this feature. Go try it and see how far you get. We are all sitting here infront of our computers, you think cause you bought the latest and greatest PC they are going to hand you over the keys to the R&D cause its not as fast as you thought it should be? And refunds are laughable too, since you know as well as I do, which is clearly stated at the bottom of the information sheet you all filled out, that before too long - people would be ordering tunes, me sitting there doing them, then them pulling the information off and programming it to another chip and saying they want a refund. No different than going to walmart, buying a music or software opening it, and then wanting to return it. Again its not that I am trying to be a ***** like some of you would like to make it out to be, just simply I don't want to waste my time, putting these things together to have people abuse the priviledge. Therefore there are not refunds and you know as well as I do, that people would take advantage of it.
Again as it explains in the "terms and conditions" I will not turn by back on you guys and do everything there is to make sure your happy with your tune you recieved. If I were a *****, I wouldn't even be answering these posts. Instead I try to explain in clear terms why I am not just spouting information off like Mt St Hellens errupting. There are alot of people that have been VERY pleased with my tuning and my services I have provided them, do a search they are everywhere.
Again I am not being a *****, ignoring this thread or likewise thread in the future, but it just fuels the fire when I do respond. Even to those that have been bashing me here, i am more than willing to move ahead and help in the future with your setup in any way I can - tuning or otherwise. Beyond that, there is nothing I can do for the obvious reasons above.
At the end of the day fellas, I am not in this for the $$ like some of you say. Yeah I do charge, but as explained before, if it were not time consuming or required a considerable amount of devotion to keep up with the latest and greatest, or required a large learning curve, then why didn't you all just do your own tunes in the beginning afterall-you do know more about this than me. Expecting me to share this with you is as rediculous as me asking the individual in the above link to share all he knows with me immediately cause I demand. Regardless of the fact that you bought a chip from him utilizing this feature. Go try it and see how far you get. We are all sitting here infront of our computers, you think cause you bought the latest and greatest PC they are going to hand you over the keys to the R&D cause its not as fast as you thought it should be? And refunds are laughable too, since you know as well as I do, which is clearly stated at the bottom of the information sheet you all filled out, that before too long - people would be ordering tunes, me sitting there doing them, then them pulling the information off and programming it to another chip and saying they want a refund. No different than going to walmart, buying a music or software opening it, and then wanting to return it. Again its not that I am trying to be a ***** like some of you would like to make it out to be, just simply I don't want to waste my time, putting these things together to have people abuse the priviledge. Therefore there are not refunds and you know as well as I do, that people would take advantage of it.
Again as it explains in the "terms and conditions" I will not turn by back on you guys and do everything there is to make sure your happy with your tune you recieved. If I were a *****, I wouldn't even be answering these posts. Instead I try to explain in clear terms why I am not just spouting information off like Mt St Hellens errupting. There are alot of people that have been VERY pleased with my tuning and my services I have provided them, do a search they are everywhere.
Again I am not being a *****, ignoring this thread or likewise thread in the future, but it just fuels the fire when I do respond. Even to those that have been bashing me here, i am more than willing to move ahead and help in the future with your setup in any way I can - tuning or otherwise. Beyond that, there is nothing I can do for the obvious reasons above.
For What it is Worth,
Doug
Melting Slicks
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 2,116
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From: Ca.
Originally Posted by Dougs 90
I have posted a comparison here showing a comparison of Jesse's tune to the ANHT.bin.
1. The chip I got from Jesse I believe is an EPROM, cant tell for sure as he has a sticker on it which I dont want to peel off.
2. I just got an APU1 2 days ago which CANNOT burn the EPROM, it only works on EEPROMS.
3. I don't know jack about tuning, so I wouldn't even know what to change anyway to make it look bad.
4. I do know my way around electronics, programming code, and computers though, so it was pretty easy once I got the APU1 working to copy Jesses bin to my computer and do a comparison in TunerProRT using the difference tool in it. I then traced the changes to the code and copy/pasted tables and values into MSExcel. In Excel, I tabled the data and wrote a couple of equations to determine exactly where the differences are and the values, ANHT-Jesses values.
I am not bashing, jumping to conclusions, or anything of the sort. I just posted the facts of what I found on my chip. I cannot point any fingers until I learn more about this tuning stuff and understand where my tune should be, or if there is some reason to think it is wrong. As for now, my car runs, but seems as if it should be running stronger. My car "smells" rich which I was told was okay, better rich then lean by Jesse which I agreed to. I am planning on purchasing an O2 reader today and possibly an EGT reader also. With these tools I will be much more able to analyze my situation.
Lessons Learned:
1. Do it yourself
2. Or pay someone local with access to the car using driving time and/or Dyno time. Ensure they work through a company and are bonded/have insurance!
By doing this myself and learning, I will know my car even better! When I graduate from school and have income again, I will know how to tune my monster forced induction motor I want!
Doug
1. The chip I got from Jesse I believe is an EPROM, cant tell for sure as he has a sticker on it which I dont want to peel off.
2. I just got an APU1 2 days ago which CANNOT burn the EPROM, it only works on EEPROMS.
3. I don't know jack about tuning, so I wouldn't even know what to change anyway to make it look bad.
4. I do know my way around electronics, programming code, and computers though, so it was pretty easy once I got the APU1 working to copy Jesses bin to my computer and do a comparison in TunerProRT using the difference tool in it. I then traced the changes to the code and copy/pasted tables and values into MSExcel. In Excel, I tabled the data and wrote a couple of equations to determine exactly where the differences are and the values, ANHT-Jesses values.
I am not bashing, jumping to conclusions, or anything of the sort. I just posted the facts of what I found on my chip. I cannot point any fingers until I learn more about this tuning stuff and understand where my tune should be, or if there is some reason to think it is wrong. As for now, my car runs, but seems as if it should be running stronger. My car "smells" rich which I was told was okay, better rich then lean by Jesse which I agreed to. I am planning on purchasing an O2 reader today and possibly an EGT reader also. With these tools I will be much more able to analyze my situation.
Lessons Learned:
1. Do it yourself
2. Or pay someone local with access to the car using driving time and/or Dyno time. Ensure they work through a company and are bonded/have insurance!
By doing this myself and learning, I will know my car even better! When I graduate from school and have income again, I will know how to tune my monster forced induction motor I want!
Doug
The goal is to have blms of 128 at all load(kpa)/rpm points in the ve tables. And there is NO way to do that unless you drive and datalog to diacom, TTS or similar. An autoxray scantool is a way to check also but it only holds about 15sec. of data-but is very usefull for doublechecking and doesn't cost much and also can scan all other makes.
A wiseband I also consider mandatory for WOT and "pump shot" tuning.
If a tuner doesn't at least want datalogs to tune by-then it's a complete guess......datalogs will also give spark knock etc. etc. for tuning. When you get ready to tune yourself check out VEmaster-cool software! There's also VEphd that works for making ve table changes a lot quicker. Good luck and stay with it! It is well worth it to do it yourself; besides, everytime you make a change you need to retune....and if you're anything like me....hmmm, I think I'll try that other cam now, and then another intake......
Burning Brakes
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 1,218
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From: Rolla Mo
drive it,
Being able to tune after I make changes is the major reason why I want/need to learn this black art...lolol . My long range plans include supercharging etc, when I have:
a) the money
b) the time
c) the know how
d) a garage of my own to work in (beats the freaking driveway!)
Knowing how and what to do makes life so easy. Anytime I take my vette to a shop, I am allowed back in there as I do as much as I can on my own before it ends up there, tuning is just taking it another step further.
Anyway, thanks for the pointers, I am working my way through this one step at a time.
Thanks,
Doug
Being able to tune after I make changes is the major reason why I want/need to learn this black art...lolol
. My long range plans include supercharging etc, when I have:a) the money
b) the time
c) the know how
d) a garage of my own to work in (beats the freaking driveway!)
Knowing how and what to do makes life so easy. Anytime I take my vette to a shop, I am allowed back in there as I do as much as I can on my own before it ends up there, tuning is just taking it another step further.
Anyway, thanks for the pointers, I am working my way through this one step at a time.
Thanks,
Doug
Former Vendor
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 7,204
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From: St Marys PA
Originally Posted by Dougs 90
Jesse, I am not trying to make you look bad, I don't have a hard on for this, I am only posting the facrts of what a comparison of my tune to a STOCK ANHT.bin showed.
I never claimed to be an expert at tuning, but I am an expert with computer coding. Code comparison was an extremely simple operation to perform on 2 tiny binary files.
I have been reading up on this topic, not necessarily what they are doing with the Turbo Buick, DFI etc, right now I am sticking with the basics ands operation of MY SPEED DENSITY SYSTEM. I am planning on implementing an WBO2 hac on my ecu and replacing the stock NB with a Heated WBO2 wired into my ECU. Looks to be a really simple project. I dont even use TunerCat, I am using TunerProRT as it is what I got with my Moates System. As far as Fueling tables and all, I am learning what and how all of these systems interact with each other. I only posted facts, I made no assumptions, claims or anything else.
Jesse, you are correct, I did come to you because of the good things I have heard. I do read, and listen to said guys that have the experience. I am picking hteir brains for all I can get, hopefully I can pick yours too to understand your methods, when I understand this more. After all I fdid pay for Lifetime followup/changes/upgrades. I paid you $275 I think for my tune, as with any company or organization, you provided/promised me a service. That alone gives me irrevocable rights to demand an answer, even if it is I don't know. Again, I am working on being proactive in my situation, I am learning, when I get a better idea of what is going on I will ask you first about what and why changes I don't understand were made. Right now, I don't have the knowledge.
The time issue is why I went to you. I have been off the board for a bit, heck I barely even got to drive my vette last year due to school commitments.
I don't know about this, I did send you my datascan back after I got the chip, and you said it all looked okay. I believe in innocent until proven guilty, I just posted my result with a compare. I make no claim or accusation based on this information, right now all it is is numbers to me.
I think a few people have gotten overly excited about this, but I think by producing a few key responses earlier would have helped as in the fuel tables, that you can control fuel in other ways. This answers the question and doesn't give up your secrets. And yes there are many ways to skin a cat. In reality all the ECU is is a computer running software. The control system monitors various functions on teh car and makes appropriate changes. As it is a computer and softare driven, ones only handicap here is the hardware, ie I/O ports, memory, speed etc. With the right knowledge of the hardware, one could completely rewrite the code and rewire the system maccordingly to do whatever they want. You could even set up batch fire to work as sequential fuel injection.
I am not sitting on the couch, or watching TV. I am actually a full time College Student with a double major in Electrical and Computer Engineering and a Math minor, a SOLE parent, and have a full time job. I attend one of the Best Engineering School in my State, I think SIU Carbondale is the only program in the Midwest rated higher, and it is highly rated Nationally (along with MIT, etc.). Think I have alot of free time, guess again. The only time my TV gets turned on is when I am too sick to go to class.
I do appreciate the fact that you do offer the follow up service/analysis. That was what you promised to me when I decided to buy the chip from you, and I plan on using it when I get knowledgable enough to work it with you. I myself am not on a crusade or witchhunt. Just found it interesting that my Fueling tables were exactly the same as stock. Being as I am a novice NOOB, it scared me seeing what others have experienced. Not saying it was your tune, just dont want that to happen to me as my tuition is skyrocketing at an exponential rate. As my GI Bill runs out next year, I will have to pay for the last year on my own....So I am taking measures to ensure that MY TUNE is correct and to know it is. I cannot afford the chance that it is off because I cannot afford a rebuild until I graduate. Notice I also did not post the changes you made, only what areas were altered. I do believe that your tune (programming code) is your intellectual property. I paid for my copy of it, (with any required lifetime updates) but that doesn't give me free license to toss it around the net, post it etc. At least not without your express written permission.
For What it is Worth,
Doug
I never claimed to be an expert at tuning, but I am an expert with computer coding. Code comparison was an extremely simple operation to perform on 2 tiny binary files.
I have been reading up on this topic, not necessarily what they are doing with the Turbo Buick, DFI etc, right now I am sticking with the basics ands operation of MY SPEED DENSITY SYSTEM. I am planning on implementing an WBO2 hac on my ecu and replacing the stock NB with a Heated WBO2 wired into my ECU. Looks to be a really simple project. I dont even use TunerCat, I am using TunerProRT as it is what I got with my Moates System. As far as Fueling tables and all, I am learning what and how all of these systems interact with each other. I only posted facts, I made no assumptions, claims or anything else.
Jesse, you are correct, I did come to you because of the good things I have heard. I do read, and listen to said guys that have the experience. I am picking hteir brains for all I can get, hopefully I can pick yours too to understand your methods, when I understand this more. After all I fdid pay for Lifetime followup/changes/upgrades. I paid you $275 I think for my tune, as with any company or organization, you provided/promised me a service. That alone gives me irrevocable rights to demand an answer, even if it is I don't know. Again, I am working on being proactive in my situation, I am learning, when I get a better idea of what is going on I will ask you first about what and why changes I don't understand were made. Right now, I don't have the knowledge.
The time issue is why I went to you. I have been off the board for a bit, heck I barely even got to drive my vette last year due to school commitments.
I don't know about this, I did send you my datascan back after I got the chip, and you said it all looked okay. I believe in innocent until proven guilty, I just posted my result with a compare. I make no claim or accusation based on this information, right now all it is is numbers to me.
I think a few people have gotten overly excited about this, but I think by producing a few key responses earlier would have helped as in the fuel tables, that you can control fuel in other ways. This answers the question and doesn't give up your secrets. And yes there are many ways to skin a cat. In reality all the ECU is is a computer running software. The control system monitors various functions on teh car and makes appropriate changes. As it is a computer and softare driven, ones only handicap here is the hardware, ie I/O ports, memory, speed etc. With the right knowledge of the hardware, one could completely rewrite the code and rewire the system maccordingly to do whatever they want. You could even set up batch fire to work as sequential fuel injection.
I am not sitting on the couch, or watching TV. I am actually a full time College Student with a double major in Electrical and Computer Engineering and a Math minor, a SOLE parent, and have a full time job. I attend one of the Best Engineering School in my State, I think SIU Carbondale is the only program in the Midwest rated higher, and it is highly rated Nationally (along with MIT, etc.). Think I have alot of free time, guess again. The only time my TV gets turned on is when I am too sick to go to class.
I do appreciate the fact that you do offer the follow up service/analysis. That was what you promised to me when I decided to buy the chip from you, and I plan on using it when I get knowledgable enough to work it with you. I myself am not on a crusade or witchhunt. Just found it interesting that my Fueling tables were exactly the same as stock. Being as I am a novice NOOB, it scared me seeing what others have experienced. Not saying it was your tune, just dont want that to happen to me as my tuition is skyrocketing at an exponential rate. As my GI Bill runs out next year, I will have to pay for the last year on my own....So I am taking measures to ensure that MY TUNE is correct and to know it is. I cannot afford the chance that it is off because I cannot afford a rebuild until I graduate. Notice I also did not post the changes you made, only what areas were altered. I do believe that your tune (programming code) is your intellectual property. I paid for my copy of it, (with any required lifetime updates) but that doesn't give me free license to toss it around the net, post it etc. At least not without your express written permission.
For What it is Worth,
Doug
Your response, while I swore I would not respond back deserves a thank you for looking at this with an open mind.
If I did not give 2 craps about how you guys make out with your cars, I would have avoided these topics altogether.
While some feel that my time, experiences and my learning are not worth anything and I should open the pages of my mind, I feel differently and it will cost a lot more than a 250 dollar chip. Just cause you buy a copy of microsoft office, doesn't give you the right to demand Bill Gate's project planning schedule, timelines and future plans forward with the program. You buy MS office cause you hear of others having the program do what you want it to do. If you have a faulty computer or it doesn't perform as you expected it to, well, you get the idea.
Cabo, I NEVER intentionally ignore anyone emails. I think the MANY people that send me tunes to redo because of mods etc, and the two I just did the last 3 nights for people that further upgraded there cars says differently also.
I appologize if your emails were missed or lost....I recieve a ton of emails from various groups of people and I try to answer each of them as personably as possible. Hell I just answered one from a girl that is into showing cars that wanted to know how I polished my intake. ??? Took 10 minutes to track down the site that I had it sent out to. A person can only try....and that i do. If the service was not what it was, I am sorry, and I again offer my hand and time to help you in any way I can.
Sorry you guys feel the way you do. I am now leaving on a trip, and am available via email when I return.
This is a message to all. IF you send an email that is not answered in a day or so, send it again. I WILL answer them...
Le Mans Master
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 5,713
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From: Manassas VA
Jesse, we can all talk about programming Buicks or rockets for that matter.
The bottom line with me is this. I have a 93 speed density car that with your programming runs poorly. I have proven this with datamaster, dyno runs, and test and tune slips from the local track.
We can talk that I and many others dont understand tuning and this may be true. But that is why I paid you about $350.00 for a tune.
Yours does not work!!
Upon trying to figure out why my car does not run well I purchased a chip reader, datamaster, etc. Started reading about programming and then read your chip with the chip reader I have. My limited education on chips has been primarly from this board. I have seen post from people such as tjwong who state that the VE tables need to be adjusted on a speed density hot cam car.
I dont believe that you have some magical program that makes changes that no one else can see.
I believe the catch 22 for you is this. If you admit to not changing the VE tables then there are enough creditable people on this board to know that this is
and you dont want that.
If you say you do change the tables, there is going to be a lot of people coming out showing that you didnt change it on their tune such as myself.
Just one other point. You keep talking about doing these tunes cheaper then everyone else. Well two of the most respected mail order tuners out there are Fastchip (Ed Wright) and PCMFORLESS. They do these as a business. I believe a custom chip with adapter from Ed was around $375.00 And PCMFORLESS was $150.00 So your tune of $350 dollars is not cheap. IE. $250.00 chip, $45.00 emissions chip, $55.00 adapter, = $350.00
The bottom line with me is this. I have a 93 speed density car that with your programming runs poorly. I have proven this with datamaster, dyno runs, and test and tune slips from the local track.
We can talk that I and many others dont understand tuning and this may be true. But that is why I paid you about $350.00 for a tune.
Yours does not work!!
Upon trying to figure out why my car does not run well I purchased a chip reader, datamaster, etc. Started reading about programming and then read your chip with the chip reader I have. My limited education on chips has been primarly from this board. I have seen post from people such as tjwong who state that the VE tables need to be adjusted on a speed density hot cam car.
I dont believe that you have some magical program that makes changes that no one else can see.
I believe the catch 22 for you is this. If you admit to not changing the VE tables then there are enough creditable people on this board to know that this is
and you dont want that. If you say you do change the tables, there is going to be a lot of people coming out showing that you didnt change it on their tune such as myself.
Just one other point. You keep talking about doing these tunes cheaper then everyone else. Well two of the most respected mail order tuners out there are Fastchip (Ed Wright) and PCMFORLESS. They do these as a business. I believe a custom chip with adapter from Ed was around $375.00 And PCMFORLESS was $150.00 So your tune of $350 dollars is not cheap. IE. $250.00 chip, $45.00 emissions chip, $55.00 adapter, = $350.00
Team Owner
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 22,209
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From: OBAMA IS HITLER
Jesse, you blew my tune, and you blew it good. YOU told me that the initial burn would get me "90% of the way there....the other 10% would be barely noticeable because you would be so close to begin with".
My suggestion is to never tell anyone that again. Explain to them its a complete crapshoot and you have no idea what you're doing.
If you would have been truthful and explained that to me, I would have never wasted $260 + $4k+ in engine reapirs and the last year of my life going thru hell becouse of your utterly childish tune f-up. My biggest misatke was believing you and not verifying the chip. You spent very little time on it, and the differences between stock and your ridiculous
hack job. The timing across the rpm band is nonsensical. YOU DID NO FUEL ADJUSTMENTS. You, my friend, are a fraud.
As for your refund policy, stick it up you know where. Your are a paid "professional" therefore you are obligated to satisfy your clients.
Your tune job is directy responsible for the fuel-starved attack on my engine. Hell, I'm being a decent person by only demanding half. I again demand full payment + 1/2 of my engine repairs.
So is it Yes or No?
Thank you.
My suggestion is to never tell anyone that again. Explain to them its a complete crapshoot and you have no idea what you're doing.
If you would have been truthful and explained that to me, I would have never wasted $260 + $4k+ in engine reapirs and the last year of my life going thru hell becouse of your utterly childish tune f-up. My biggest misatke was believing you and not verifying the chip. You spent very little time on it, and the differences between stock and your ridiculous
hack job. The timing across the rpm band is nonsensical. YOU DID NO FUEL ADJUSTMENTS. You, my friend, are a fraud.
As for your refund policy, stick it up you know where. Your are a paid "professional" therefore you are obligated to satisfy your clients.
Your tune job is directy responsible for the fuel-starved attack on my engine. Hell, I'm being a decent person by only demanding half. I again demand full payment + 1/2 of my engine repairs.
So is it Yes or No?
Thank you.
Last edited by Red Tornado; Apr 8, 2005 at 01:52 PM.
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Originally Posted by ski_dwn_it
........Cabo, I NEVER intentionally ignore anyone emails......
........I appologize if your emails were missed or lost....I recieve a ton of emails from various groups of people and I try to answer each of them as personably as possible...............
........I appologize if your emails were missed or lost....I recieve a ton of emails from various groups of people and I try to answer each of them as personably as possible...............
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From: OBAMA IS HITLER
Jesse, you still haven't explained yourself one iota. You've done a great job being the politician, you've danced around the main subject quite nicely indeed. You've tried very hard to tell me (and this forum) how it couldn't have possibly been your tune (or total lack of it, I must add) to the chip, how it HAD to be something else related to the build. I've got a very competent mechanic who did the final assembly.....I've got a machine shop who is relentless with perfection.....it was no backyard/garage hack job.....Now quit jacking me off with noise and irrelevance, thats insulting. Please get on with addressing the real issue here.
SO FOR THE ZILLIONTH TIME, NOW TELL ME - AND THIS FORUM - WHY YOU DID NOT CHANGE ONE SINGLE SETTING IN THE MAIN FUEL TABLE - WHY DID YOU FIND IT NECESSARY TO LEAVE STOCK PROGRAMMING IN WHEN I'VE GOT AN INTAKE/HEADS/CAM LIKE I DO. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY INDEFENSIBLE AND DERELICT OF YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVIDE EVEN A "SAFE" TUNE, HECK FORGET ABOUT ULTIMATE PERFORMANCE, I JUST WANT A CAR THAT RAN WITHOUT BURNING UP
AGAIN I IMPLORE YOU TO DEFEND AND EXPLAIN YOURSELF IN THIS POINT DIRECTLY. Admit you actually made such an error, gross enough to cause the carnage.......Pay up the $260 in full, and pay 1/2 of my engine damage expenses. Your relentless avoidance of this fact has jerked me around enough, and you've upset enough folks on this forum.
Thank you, Brad
SO FOR THE ZILLIONTH TIME, NOW TELL ME - AND THIS FORUM - WHY YOU DID NOT CHANGE ONE SINGLE SETTING IN THE MAIN FUEL TABLE - WHY DID YOU FIND IT NECESSARY TO LEAVE STOCK PROGRAMMING IN WHEN I'VE GOT AN INTAKE/HEADS/CAM LIKE I DO. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY INDEFENSIBLE AND DERELICT OF YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVIDE EVEN A "SAFE" TUNE, HECK FORGET ABOUT ULTIMATE PERFORMANCE, I JUST WANT A CAR THAT RAN WITHOUT BURNING UP
AGAIN I IMPLORE YOU TO DEFEND AND EXPLAIN YOURSELF IN THIS POINT DIRECTLY. Admit you actually made such an error, gross enough to cause the carnage.......Pay up the $260 in full, and pay 1/2 of my engine damage expenses. Your relentless avoidance of this fact has jerked me around enough, and you've upset enough folks on this forum.
Thank you, Brad
Last edited by Red Tornado; Apr 9, 2005 at 08:31 PM.
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From: st louis mo
I'm not out to "get someone". Jesse is so full of crap, it's impossible to not reply. Time to expose this hack.
Jesse, you are trying to get "our" ecms to work directly with a wideband, huh? That is funny because that was an idea I came up with years ago. Others figured out how to do it. Someone just pulled that thread from the grave just the other day. You just read it and that is your next great goal, to rip off freeware code patches. Way to go there big guy.
http://thirdgen.org/techbb2/showthre...hreadid=105227
Sad thing is you are behind the times. People have been linking our ecms to the wideband for years. Traxion at TGO even made a program that'll insert the wideband hack automatically for people not familiar with ASM. Do a search at tgo, you'll have the wideband working with the ecm in minutes.
:fuktart:
Jesse, you are trying to get "our" ecms to work directly with a wideband, huh? That is funny because that was an idea I came up with years ago. Others figured out how to do it. Someone just pulled that thread from the grave just the other day. You just read it and that is your next great goal, to rip off freeware code patches. Way to go there big guy.
http://thirdgen.org/techbb2/showthre...hreadid=105227
Sad thing is you are behind the times. People have been linking our ecms to the wideband for years. Traxion at TGO even made a program that'll insert the wideband hack automatically for people not familiar with ASM. Do a search at tgo, you'll have the wideband working with the ecm in minutes.
:fuktart:
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From: OBAMA IS HITLER
Jesse, you have failed miserably in providing the anwser to the direct question. This has been posed over & over again, ad nauseum, also in previous (locked) posts.
You have done well in toe-tapping in an attempt to pose reasonable doubt in your inability to deliver (ie, safe tune). However, from the other posts in this thread - including me - the thin shroud has been seen thru....the jig is up and you, bud, have been discovered.
Answer the damn question. And for chrissake, don't you dare once again give us your poppycock bs about different ways to approach a tune. Tell us how it is, straight up. No more lies, no more dancing. You don't have to give up specific "proprietary secrets" to answer this basic and critical question, so quite giving us nonsense about it.
Also, quit your bs about communication....you damn well how good you are with everyone "before the sale"....and how spotty you are afterwards, once you get your $250. You did it to me, and you've apparently done it to alot of people. Lies about email doesn't cut it. I have a yahoo account, and never had a problem. As for PMs on this forum, there's no escaping that as well......
Otherwise, trust me, this will not end here. Your credibility and lack of trust is very much on trial here. I'll be sure to revive this at every opportunity....public and private.
So are you you going to pay up, or what? My next move depends on your answer (or lack of it).....email me so we can resolve this mess that you were highly instrumental in getting me into.
Oh, you say you no into it for the money? BS. You've made over $25,000 -- TAX FREE MAY I ADD -- and answering everyone ALL THE TIME is absolutely the bare minimum you could ever do. So don't you act like a freakin' martyr about it all. YOU OWE YOUR CUSTOMERS THAT. And you owe those who haven't been happy with your work a full refund. And you owe suckers like me some sort of settlement value on damages suffered because of YOUR incompetence.
Thank you.
Brad
You have done well in toe-tapping in an attempt to pose reasonable doubt in your inability to deliver (ie, safe tune). However, from the other posts in this thread - including me - the thin shroud has been seen thru....the jig is up and you, bud, have been discovered.
Answer the damn question. And for chrissake, don't you dare once again give us your poppycock bs about different ways to approach a tune. Tell us how it is, straight up. No more lies, no more dancing. You don't have to give up specific "proprietary secrets" to answer this basic and critical question, so quite giving us nonsense about it.
Also, quit your bs about communication....you damn well how good you are with everyone "before the sale"....and how spotty you are afterwards, once you get your $250. You did it to me, and you've apparently done it to alot of people. Lies about email doesn't cut it. I have a yahoo account, and never had a problem. As for PMs on this forum, there's no escaping that as well......
Otherwise, trust me, this will not end here. Your credibility and lack of trust is very much on trial here. I'll be sure to revive this at every opportunity....public and private.
So are you you going to pay up, or what? My next move depends on your answer (or lack of it).....email me so we can resolve this mess that you were highly instrumental in getting me into.
Oh, you say you no into it for the money? BS. You've made over $25,000 -- TAX FREE MAY I ADD -- and answering everyone ALL THE TIME is absolutely the bare minimum you could ever do. So don't you act like a freakin' martyr about it all. YOU OWE YOUR CUSTOMERS THAT. And you owe those who haven't been happy with your work a full refund. And you owe suckers like me some sort of settlement value on damages suffered because of YOUR incompetence.
Thank you.
Brad
Last edited by Red Tornado; Apr 10, 2005 at 09:52 PM.
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I think the most interesting thing might be the different approaches taken by various over-the-counter chip burners. For example, their approches on adjustable fuel regulators and changes in injectors might be handeled in different ways, based ontheir own theries.
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From: OBAMA IS HITLER
Originally Posted by Caboboy
Hey Brad, let's not limit this to speed density only (although that seems to be most of the problems that've been posted here and in the other threads).
Jesse screwed my tune up too, even though I'm running the same combo he's had so much "self proclaimed" success with on his own car and those of his buddies...... a big inch Superram, 219, MAF car! The thing that just pizzes me off the most is him totally ignoring me after he got my dough!!!!!!!! That's just Bull Crap and a ripoff!
Jesse screwed my tune up too, even though I'm running the same combo he's had so much "self proclaimed" success with on his own car and those of his buddies...... a big inch Superram, 219, MAF car! The thing that just pizzes me off the most is him totally ignoring me after he got my dough!!!!!!!! That's just Bull Crap and a ripoff!
As all can see, Jesse is done, and he hasn't explained himself to the direct question.
All I can say now is to let this be FAIR WARNING TO ALL THOS WHO ARE -- AND WILL BE - CONSIDERING JESSE AZZATO for a mail order tune in the future. Let my experience, and his backpeddling and lack of support (ie, not taking at least PARTIAL respnsibility because of his blunder) show everyone what you MIGHT VERY WELL be up against. Think long and hard about this..............then go to another tuner altogther.
Jesse, you still have a chance to redeem yourself......email me back. You haven't yet. Obviously you've decided to compeltely ignore everything. This is very sad.
I'll forgive you for the pain and financial difficulty you've been instrumental in causing, someday......but I will never forget you
Its been real fun not being able to drive my vette since the end of last summer....been under a car cover, or sitting at the shop (mechanic) since this past winter, then most recently with engine ripped out (a second time because of this) and at the machine shop for a complete rebuild. Sad, it only had 70k miles, this 2nd rebuild I'll call the "Jesse Azzato Inspired Special"
To the moderators: what does Troy think of a member who advertises his services every time he posts (see Jesse's sig)? This is a well- crafted, tacit, almost subliminal way of doing business WITHOUT PAYING FOR THE RIGHT TO DO BUSINESS HERE. Thank you.
Last edited by Red Tornado; Apr 13, 2005 at 11:48 AM.
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From: st louis mo
Originally Posted by steve9899
Pretty humerous thread title in the context of past threads...
In jesse's case, you need to make some changes........at least to the fueling. That's in order to take people's money for something other than a flash chip.
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Its not nessisary to down mail order tuning because of one instance. I wish you would keep your facts seperate from your opinions. Now, I've asked you politely privately to lay off the industry as a whole because you have it in for one guy.
The factory has been sending out cars with proven calibrations for oh say 20+ years now. If its a proven setup, you've done enough of them, your willing to work with the guys if something is off, you don't write everything off as "something mechanical, not in the tune" than there is no problem.
It also requires the mail order guys to turn away setups that are too unique or extreme. Or at least warn the customer that the tuner needs feedback to make sure that the chip is 100% there.
See the other post about track results. They tested my mailorder vs my dyno tune and the mail order actually trapped higher by 0.4mph or something like that. Why? Because it was a simple heads/hotcam bolt on LT1 with stock injectors and I have alot of time invested in making sure that a proven tune goes along with the proven setup.
It comes down to
1. Not everyone lives near a competent dyno tuner
2. Not everyone has totally different setups
3. Not everyone has what it takes or the time to tune thier own cars. Alot of people when ordering can't even tell me duration a .050 Nothing wrong with that, I can't paint a car some people can.. I'm ok with that. Hell I can't even accomplish a decent wax job.
4. Not everyone is out for your money
The factory has been sending out cars with proven calibrations for oh say 20+ years now. If its a proven setup, you've done enough of them, your willing to work with the guys if something is off, you don't write everything off as "something mechanical, not in the tune" than there is no problem.
It also requires the mail order guys to turn away setups that are too unique or extreme. Or at least warn the customer that the tuner needs feedback to make sure that the chip is 100% there.
See the other post about track results. They tested my mailorder vs my dyno tune and the mail order actually trapped higher by 0.4mph or something like that. Why? Because it was a simple heads/hotcam bolt on LT1 with stock injectors and I have alot of time invested in making sure that a proven tune goes along with the proven setup.
It comes down to
1. Not everyone lives near a competent dyno tuner
2. Not everyone has totally different setups
3. Not everyone has what it takes or the time to tune thier own cars. Alot of people when ordering can't even tell me duration a .050 Nothing wrong with that, I can't paint a car some people can.. I'm ok with that. Hell I can't even accomplish a decent wax job.
4. Not everyone is out for your money
Last edited by Alvin; Apr 13, 2005 at 06:04 PM.
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From: st louis mo
Originally Posted by Alvin
Its not nessisary to down mail order tuning because of one instance. I wish you would keep your facts seperate from your opinions. Now, I've asked you politely privately to lay off the industry as a whole because you have it in for one guy.
The factory has been sending out cars with proven calibrations for oh say 20+ years now. If its a proven setup, you've done enough of them, your willing to work with the guys if something is off, you don't write everything off as "something mechanical, not in the tune" than there is no problem.
It also requires the mail order guys to turn away setups that are too unique or extreme. Or at least warn the customer that the tuner needs feedback to make sure that the chip is 100% there.
See the other post about track results. They tested my mailorder vs my dyno tune and the mail order actually trapped higher by 0.4mph or something like that. Why? Because it was a simple heads/hotcam bolt on LT1 with stock injectors and I have alot of time invested in making sure that a proven tune goes along with the proven setup.
It comes down to
1. Not everyone lives near a competent dyno tuner
2. Not everyone has totally different setups
3. Not everyone has what it takes or the time to tune thier own cars. Alot of people when ordering can't even tell me duration a .050 Nothing wrong with that, I can't paint a car some people can.. I'm ok with that. Hell I can't even accomplish a decent wax job.
4. Not everyone is out for your money
The factory has been sending out cars with proven calibrations for oh say 20+ years now. If its a proven setup, you've done enough of them, your willing to work with the guys if something is off, you don't write everything off as "something mechanical, not in the tune" than there is no problem.
It also requires the mail order guys to turn away setups that are too unique or extreme. Or at least warn the customer that the tuner needs feedback to make sure that the chip is 100% there.
See the other post about track results. They tested my mailorder vs my dyno tune and the mail order actually trapped higher by 0.4mph or something like that. Why? Because it was a simple heads/hotcam bolt on LT1 with stock injectors and I have alot of time invested in making sure that a proven tune goes along with the proven setup.
It comes down to
1. Not everyone lives near a competent dyno tuner
2. Not everyone has totally different setups
3. Not everyone has what it takes or the time to tune thier own cars. Alot of people when ordering can't even tell me duration a .050 Nothing wrong with that, I can't paint a car some people can.. I'm ok with that. Hell I can't even accomplish a decent wax job.
4. Not everyone is out for your money
Who said I have it out for some guy? You guys at PCMsforless might not be ripping people off like jesse. That doesn't mean an owner could not get the same results, do it DIY and for the same price(or less). The difference is time involved AND the MAJOR gains one will net(above a mailorder tune) after learning the software.