The topic requires trust of the individual who is supposedly comparing the chips. If you cannot be honest about an avitar ( that commands respect on this forum) then your INTEGRITY IS COMPROMISED. Now who is being ignorant resorting to name calling because you will not answer a simple question.

 

Street car

http://www.challengevideos.com/event...ownlee9.72.mpg

 

Mojo that is a wicked car...

KVU I believe youre being called out ...you got a ride in the nines or not

 

I never said that my car ran 9's. Check back through every post I made here or at TGO. The avitar is a joke. Something to poke fun at someone. I have seen people swing on a certain person's jock because of his timeslip/avitar. I know this guy(personally), he knows very little about engine management recalibration. The sad part is that he does run then number on his avitar. So people assume that he know his ****. ......Just like people think I'm dishonest if I don't own a 9 second car (because of an avitar). I don't brag about what I have done. I don't use my car to sell a product. If you think I'm full of **** then that is you problem. Money talks and I bet mr big man $1000.

Last time I checked, there was no rule to picking avitars. BUT I will change it so you guys don't think I'm being dishonest.. If someone will help me I'll make one of my car. How do I upload it?

 

As far as the custom avatar, send it to me, I can change it for you.

As far as this thread goes, I think anybody who wants to do a comparison test, should do the test before the post is made. That way the facts are laid out and there is no guessing and it makes for a more peaceful post.

If it were up to me, I would contact the various tuners and set it up to where you can run one of their chips(or in the case of 93 Rag, he already has all the chips for testing), have a few witnesses(video and timeslips would be a must), and only after all the data is gathered, post the results.

Even better would be having a representative of the tuner(either the tuner himself or someone he trusts) to witness the event either from the bleachers or the starting line.

That's just how I would do it.

The way this post is headed, I don't see it staying open much longer.

KVU, if you want to start a new one let me know and I'll close this on eup.

 

Would be nice to share the recorded run data files so we can see the results first hand. DataMaster is a good common recorder.

 

Jim, Its not worth arguing with these guys. The fact are that KVU has a 406 that runs in the 14s with the rest of the expert tuners. His user name is 11orbust on the TGO, which says it all. He is trying to get a 406 to run 11s. He tries to come across as an expert in the field, and well......I guess his results of his own setup tell the real story.

Instead of dissing those of us that do get the results, it probably would be better to step back and take some notes. I mean, I surely would not be telling someone how to tune setup if I were running a 400+ inch motor that was running 14sec 1/4 times.

Just in the event that his comments in the last post were directed at me, with regards to running the numbers I posted in my avatar - KVU you might want to take a look here:

http://www.azzatochips.com/videos/10.33ski.wmv

Mind you that was over a year ago, on a 730ECM, and you "experts" are just now learning how to adjust the pulsewidth for larger CI motors - so how was I doing it a year ago?

As always KVU, just like on the TGO, I back up my statements with FULL proof, Results, etc. Time for you to share your videos, etc. Until which time these results are posted, I really don't think you should be offering tuning comparisons. For, if you can't tune your own stuff, how are you suppose to tune someone elses or pass judgement on others? Or was the 9sec avatar suppose to suggest to others that you are an authority.

Yeah I know, your tuning for fuel economy like the other guys in the past that said I was nuts with MAF and small injectors right? Meanwhile they are playing with twin turbos in the 14s.

Brad, as I have said in the many recent emails we shared your accounts of what happened in the past are always lacking the information that you shared with me through emails before all this bashing started.

Your emails express items like you and your mechanic, setting the base timing to 18* instead of 6*, which you swore up and down through several of them that your base timing was accurate till I practically begged you to double check it, and you reported back that you mechanic had it set at 18* instead of 6*. In your words, " You expressed you should have never trusted him and checked it yourself". In addition there are emails on your compression ratio being reported wrong - there are also posts of you inquiring and me showing you how to calculate these figures (mind you this is all after your damage was done) and lets not forget about the email from you that tells of you and your mechanic putting the wrong head gaskets on your motor, and it leaking coolant into the cylinder.

However now that a handful of a few people have begun bashing me, somehow you seem to feel that your engine damage is my fault. When questioned about all these things you explained to me in emails and over the MANY phone calls I took from you trying to be very nice and help you sort out these many things, you now claim that none of these items ever happened. So what would make you write something over 6 months ago to these effects, then while still having problems and I am helping you, you never mentioned in any emails or conversations that you were infact mistaken and they never took place? Again, just like the other rediculous post, things just don't add up. All these emails from you stating the above are readily available for posting should you deny they happened. In addition to the one stating that I gave you impecable service and went well above and beyond anything you expected me to do.

The last things I want to do is start a bashing fest again over these tunes. I have done guys tunes on this forum to help offset the huge costs associated with the chips required when performing mods to these cars. While the good many of the people greatly appreciate the help I have given and the money I have saved them with initial tunes followed by 100% free upgrades to these chips when they mod thereafter - there are the handful of people that cause this trouble and forget "the other 1/2 of the stories when telling the tales."

Forgetting the other 1/2 of the story, just like KVU promising all sorta of tuning results, but not telling anyone that his 406 that he tuned for over 2 years can't run quicker than a stock 350. He should know that there is no reason to try to tune another persons car to get better results than I did, if they choose to let him, that is fine, but all he has to do is tune his 406 to run in the low 11s. Or even in the 12s for that matter. Its not going to happen either way.

Now before anyone else accusses me of being arroggent etc, don't mistaken arrogence for confidence. I have spent tons of hours developing the methods I use for tuning, like I said, how was I running a SD system on a big inch motor at bottom 10s over a year ago, when all the other experts are having problems with capped injector pulse widths on exactly the same setups. My time is my time and I am not going to explain all the work I have done in the publics eye, so people like KVU and other tuners (alvin) can suck up the information.

 

Jesse, dear Jesse, please let me explain this a 3rd time.

1. The spark advance was simply measured incorrectly, the EST was left connected and thus the 18* advance was actually 2* retarded, which was where it was originally set after the build.

2. The head gaskets....as I mentioned, Fel-Pro #1010's were fine after all. AFR explained this. They recommend #1003's for nitrous and supercharged applications. There was no reason on this green earth that I suffered a blown head gasket with my N/A build, this includes the 11.01:1 c/r. period. Dave Kubert will tell you this, please call him any day to verify. He TOLD ME that the tune is responsible - there is NO WAY my build had anything to do with it. I gave him all the measurements and facts. And I have it in an email as well, he told me the same thing.

Now please please please stop repeating old stuff that I flew off on the cuff on. I explained this in my last email to you. The points you've brought up have since been resolved; they were non-issues.

Now, in terms of customer service......I will say with 100% confidence that once you are called on the phone, you ARE a wonderful person to deal with. HOWEVER, you responses to PMs and emails are quite the opposite. I would go out on a limb and surmise that many of your customers dont have your phone number, and they try to contact you via the computer with either NO REPLIES or VERY LITTLE. Anyone, am I wrong here? Jesse, you accept $$, so that makes you a businessman.
You should take care of your customers accordingly. Again however I will stress that in fact you're a great guy to work with, once you're actually reached on the phone.

But whats not great - in my case - is the fact that your tune (remember the 90% rule you gave me?) was SO FAR OFF it was unbeleivable. Timing was taken away on the early RPMs, then very irratically added/retarded over the rest of the RPM band. It was somewhat of a slug right off the bat - but driveable enough to take it out on the open road and let 'er fly.......However add to this the fuel reqmts - starved to death and ran dangerous lean to the point of 2 ring land failures pistons #3 and #5 in short order - obnoxious exhaust heat and detonation killed it. This is not the build, it was your tune. When the machine shop took my engine apart, they quikly identified exactly what happened - killer detonation from an irresponsible tune bordering on a sham. BIG ONE HERE, RAD THIS CAREFULLY: WHY - I REPEAT WHY - DID YOU NOT FIND IT NECESSARY TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE MAIN FUEL TABLES??? Did you forget I'm a speed density customer?

So are you telling me - and this entire Forum - that its literally impossible for you to make such a mistake (in my case a MAJOR MISTAKE)? So you've done, what a 100+ chips, and of those that are Speed Density (whittles it down alot, right?), ALL of them were relatively successful? I say "relatively" because its surely understandable - and I say expected - to have a few tweaks done on a re-burn or two via the mail......BUT NOT AN UTTER FAILURE LIKE MINE.
I fully expect you to admit you blew it big time in my case, maybe I was the 1rst ever, but here I am, your very first disaster.
Your chip is far beyond help, I do not wish to risk mailing it back & forth - and possibly waiting 2-3 weeks each time - and going thru hell again paying for dyno runs over & over & over again.

PLEASE EXPLAIN. Thank you.

P.S.... I believe we talked a total of 3 times on the phone, maybe 4 over the past year. I didn't realize this qualified as "a whole lot". I'm sorry, maybe I should have called only once?

 

Brad, you are sadly mistaken on many fronts. The MOST timing I have ever added to a car is 38* of total timing, which was to Insantities setup per THEIR rquest.

Again I am not going to argue the finer point of tuning, everyone has their opinions, yet few produce results. I have seen it 100x over and its pointless to argue it.

With your particular setup, you have mid 30s total timing. Couple that with a knock sensor safety factor, that is set to pull 15* out if activated, leave you with 20* of timing. These are not finer points of tuning, these are VERY BASIC facts. So if you were getting detonation, the story you told before about setting your base at 18* instead of 6* makes a little more sense. Since even equipped with the knock sensor the poor car could not pull enough timing. *If* what you say now above, that it was actually retarded 2*, then that just makes it even more unrealistic you were getting detonation.

At the end of the day brad.....I have done about everything one man can do to help you with your setup. Just like I have helped many others. I don't provide just tunes to people, but usually also along with them advice on setup and MANY other things. Right now I am re-doing 3 other guy's re-tunes that had no problem with my responses or promptness to redo their chips after further modding. Nor did I ever blow you off with any of your emails. I am sorry that an email or two or an IM or two did not perhaps make it through, but I think its fairly safe to say that in todays world, I am not the only person that has an occasional email get lost. After all of our conversations and other emails I am sure you would realize this. It might be different if when you called me at home, I would simple have blown you off. But that never happened. Most of the time, I answer all your questions, that were very basic you had, and that you were VERY confused on. Which is absolutely 100% fine that you do not know these things, everyone has to learn sometime, and I REALLY do ENJOY HELPING people understand. But while I know you think you had everything perfect in that motor, then why all the confusion and statements that you made many months ago, that were STILL STANDING statements - that only after the other bashing you changed your story on. Again if I was having hot water problems with my shower, I would not call the plumber up and have him look at it, and report everything was fine - then write him back tell him that it was my silly fault that I had all along been turning the cold **** on instead. Then take cold showers again for the next 6 months with a whisper that I infact did make a mistake with my previous statement that I was using the right **** and still no hot water. Again, things just don't add up.

As I have said in the other emails to you. I am willing to put all these accusations aside since I can imagine your frustration with your engine failure. I am more than willing, as I have shown in the many posts that you have put up to help you figure out compression ratios etc, setting TDC for your pointer, and what components are best for the situation, ect to ensure that this motor is put together as best as possible. As I have said before, there are many others out there running VERY similiar setups that you are with absolutely no problems. If your problems were tuning related, I am sure I would be getting more phone calls etc than just you. Its absurd to think that I am the one at fault for your troubles, but if it makes you feel better to blame me, then I can't keep you from doing that. If you care need help with your buildup, please let me know, as I said before, I am not getting bent out of shape over these accusations and will try to help you again if you so choose.

Beyond that I am not sure what else there is to say. I am not going to get into a pissing match over tuning styles, theories, and other BS with others.

Again, beyond offering a helping hand to you to make sure you are headed in the right direction again, its pretty pointless to continue with arguing. And I am not ignoring you, I just don't have the time to argue over the internet.

Regards,

Jesse

 

Jesse, the base timing at the distributor was set with 2* retard, ie, 4* BTDC. It was never 18* advanced, that was the reading that was taken in error due the EST wire still connected. This is old news.

My build was done by a very competent machine shop, and final assembly of the intake on & engine back in was done by my trusted mechanic. Confusion on my part on some basic stuff certainly.....I've got it now.......but those things were already taken care of by my mechanic on day one. The detoantion was due to the tune, not the setup.

Now please, for the 2nd time, and for all the other times this question was asked in the 93ragtop thread (that got locked), and in my last post above:

WHY DID YOU FIND IT NECESSARY TO LEAVE THE MAIN FUEL TABLES UNTOUCHED? ZERO BINARY CODE CHANGES IN THE VE AND THE PE TABLES. ZERO. NADA. ZILCH.

Generally speaking, this is no doubt A BASIC MAIN cause of the ultra-lean A/F conditions thru most of the RPM band. No need for arguing here, this is a clear condition. All that air with no corresponding fuel changes is what cause the intense heat - and thus detonation.

As for your comments on helping, I'm not arguing with that. There were MANY emails that apparently didn't make it thru.
I don't like calling at every moment, so I held back and went to others for help and explanation. the very few times I did call, yes, you were a joy to talk to. I'm very happy to explain that. This isn't the main issue with me so much, as I have learned from others.

I'm not doubting others with similar setups had no problems. My engine was not built by retards either. All I'm saying is that when that chip was in, all hell broke loose --- it wasn't bad enough to be evident immediately, but all I had to do was drive it a couple hundred miles (to break the engine in), and thats when the smoke problems occurred.....by then it was too late (as I've since learned).

Jesse, thank you for trying to be a gentleman about this, you ARE a good person in my opinion. All you've really done wrong was make a major mistake with my tune, and you're not admitting this. Unfortunately, the mistake was compounded by the destruction of my engine. Thats what makes what may be an innocent mistake into a very costly disaster to what I guess is your very 1rst customer (ME) to experience it. You might as well chalk me up as "1 in 100".......so 1% ain't bad, you can still take it to the bank.

Sincerely, Brad

 

Brad.

I really do understand your frustration and there is really nothing I can say to help you through this frustration other than to extend my offer to further help you in any way I can. Anyone that knows me knows I will do anything I can to help you out.

While I understand that you feel very justified in saying that my tune was the cause of your problems there are many other things that say its not highly likely. My tunes that I do for people are NOT on the ragged edge and are pretty conservative, yet produce good results. A car even in limp home mode, most ECM functions not working will not harm a motor. I just had ECM problems with mine at the track, first time out. It would run, then completely shut off, then go again, and shutoff running in limp home mode. Here the ECM had a bad connection that I quickly fixed, upon returning - but my motor, MUCH more radical in every aspect than yours did not break. It at a few moments on the Wideband was 25:1 AFR But as soon as the connection was fixed it ran fine and went from a 11.4 on that run, to 10.7.

No matter how careful we all are, there are ALWAYS circumstances that can cause problems. There is probably nobody more **** about their setup than me, and I even cleaned EVERY contact, and pin on that ECM before the season. Still a bad connection was there. It happens.

I just had another guy that got an ECM off me, built a motor for his buddy and has built race motors for 18yrs. He said he got the tune, and the car backfired up through the intake and would barely run under any sorta load. We went through the usual checks, much like what we went through, and all checks came back 100%. Talking with the guy he really knew his stuff and I assumed what he was telling me was accurate. I told him it sounded like his timing was grossly retarded by the syptoms and to send the tune back and I would triple check everything. He was very good to work with and said that he too would double check his end again before sending the chip back. I did not hear anything from him in about a week and then he finally called and there was a message on my answering machine asking him to call him back. Upon doing so, he said he had found what the problem was. His buddy planned on running nitrous and had experienced problems with the nitrous plate that fits between the plenum and TB. Since the bolts would not line up, he stopped the installation 1/2 way through, so not all the pieces were properly setup and wired. Here he was running an MSD ignition box that was wired to the solenoid, that when activated (opened the circuit), retarded the timing whatever pill was in the box. In this case it was a 20* retard pill - what came in the box. So since he did no finish the wiring/installation, his timing was retarded 20* causing over 1 month worth of hair pulling and worries that something was either wrong with the motor itself or the tune. We both ran up our phone bills over this one.

But even with a VERY competient engine builder, luckily he remained level headed and went the extra mile to make sure everything WAS perfect on his end - Otherwise, his experience, could have made another one of these threads. And like some of these, my tuning could have been given a bad wrap. Again, I have to assume everything is perfect when doing these tunes.

I hope you understand that I am NOT trying to be a hard azz. I again, hope that you understand that I give each of these tunes my best and that I stand behind each of them offering as much "after the tune" help as feasibly possible. There are A LOT of guys out there that have saved a bunch of money in tuning using my stuff. Hell some of them have sent them back 4+ times to adjust for mods. (This would have cost 1500 dollars or more using other sources.) I thought I went from mod to mod quick, but some of you guys are worse than me.

In addition, I just took apart a motor that was "professionally" done and cost a fortune and it was totally rediculous the things I have found wrong. I am not going to put names up or condemn their practices, but there were more bolts loose on the car, than tight. Water pump bolts finger tight as were driveshaft u-joint bolts, transmission bolts (some extremely tight and others barely snug). Busted my knuckles on one that was barely tight, expecting it to be as tight as the last. Not the case. over 1/2 the bracket bolts on the front of the motor were missing, cause they were hard to get at. One of the bolts was backed out and hit the air pump pulley and wore a 1/8 grove through the bolt head. It became a joke taking the motor out. I know what bolts are PITA to get at, and I would say to my buddy - "bet this bolt is missing and sure enough they would be missing.

Moral of these stories are there are a zillion and one things that can happen during a motor modification. I hold my breath for the first few trips to the track everytime out with a new setup and I am doing all the work myself and know that everything has been triple checked. One very tiny oversight, like a mistorqued bolt, or an unconnected wire could lead to weeks of miserable tracking down, or possible damage. Anyone that has done major modifications will tell you they have been there at one time or another - unless they are lying.

Again, Brad - I am sure you are upset, as am I, that your motor did not turn out as expected. But to point blame at me is as unfair as me pointing to the manufacturer of the failed components. The only difference is these manufactures will probably give you a sorry and hang up without further helping. I am extending the offer to help you make sure that your setup next time is as good as you want it to be.

 

Jesse, I want my engine back the way it was last time without being so fuel starved. The tune is obvious - there were NO adjustments made to the main fuel tables. The excessively lean condition ruined my engine. Now I've had to have a .030" overbore to clean up the mess that resulted from broken ring lands and a coolant leak from a blown head gasket. Severe detonation caused this, and pretty quick as I 've found out. All sensors were of course checked, the whole thing gone over by my mechanic. He stands behind his work, and is by the way staring square at your chip as the culprit --- as is the machine shop, Airflow Research, JE Pistons, Federal Mogul, TPIS, the ARP bolt folks, and several folks here who you've never heard back from because they gave up and threw your chip in the garbage bin. I wont ever cite any names here, but suffice to say that I many PM's as well as emails on this general subject, from others who've complained of your work on their chips. I'm sorry to announce this, but it is a bonafide fact. And I'm only doing it because I've suffered a fate that you're simply not taking any responsibility for causing. You've never done it, to my knowledge, on these boards at all.

I do appreciate your kind offers to help, however being another $4k+ in debt causes an angriness that packs quite a punch. I don;t have the means to start burning tons of chips for folks at $250+ $10 a pop, tax free. Someday I will forget the hell I'm going thru, and all the decisions I've had to make regarding this 2nd rebuild. The sooner I forgive you, the better, as I'm not the hateful type. I'm not quite there yet, but I'm trying ever single day.

Jsse, it would be great to simply admit that you made a huge error in ignoring the main fuel tables. Please explain this. This question has been posed about 10 times already, and you've never addressed this specific point in any of the threads associated with your tune problems.

I've since gone to some else to tune. I can't bring myself to come back "for more" That chip was SO FAR OFF, it now scares the living daylights out of me to ask for more of the same. This has thrown me a financial condition I never, ever imagined. Please understand this very point.

And please, for God's sake, and once again, explain the total lack of fuel changes in the main tables that are absolutely mandatory in a Speed Density vehicle.

I will move away from making anything personal in the future, if I've done so by this point. I don't like name calling or other childish behaviors, or bashing without any reasonable cause. So please excuse anything along these lines, if it has come across that way ever, in any way.

Thank you, Brad

P.S....By the way I'm not frustrated at all. Only angry now. The extreme frustration came earlier, before the cause of my engine damage was determined. This phase trook awhile. The build was determined solid. All points to the tune, thats the only thing left on the table. The BIN evaluation only confirms the physical results. Now I would like you to take responsibility - AND I'M ONLY AKSING FOR PARTIAL REPSONSIBILITY at that. Just partial. I beleive a full $260 refund for a very irresponsible "tune", and 1/2 of the total cost to rebuild the engine. I'll be happy to send you a copy of it when its completed, certified mail. Please advise.

 

Jesse, you are making stuff up. My car doesn't run 14's. 11sOrbust is a cheesy name off the top of my head, not some code word for my my performance goal. Nice try at making me look bad while diverting attention away from you.

I'M GOING TO SAY THIS ONE TIME. JESSE HAS NEVER EVEN TUNED HIS OWN VEHICLE. THAT IS RIGHT! HIS INJECTOR HAS BEEN STATIC THE WHOLE TIME. 10 SECONDS AND 24LB INJECTORS ARE NOT A GOOD MATCH. ONCE THE DUTY CYCLE REACHES ABOUT 100%, THE ECM LOSES ALL CONTROL. SINCE THE ECM IS NOT IN CONTROL(AT THAT POINT), PROM CHANGES WILL HAVE ZERO EFFECT ON FUELING. ZERO EFFECT MEANS JESSE WASN'T DOING ANYTHING. HE POSTED LOG DATA AT TGO THAT CONFIRMED THE INJECTORS WAS MAXED. DO A SEARCH, END OF STORY.

 

Again Jesse, I must ask the direct question, a I've never seen this expained to date: WHY DID YOU FIND IT NECESSARY TO LEAVE THE MAIN FUEL TABLES UNTOUCHED? ZERO BINARY CODE CHANGES IN THE VE AND THE PE TABLES.

And please don't use evasive language like "there are many ways to approach a tune"......folks here are aware of that, I need to know why the binary coding in the main fuel tables was left EXACTLY THE SAME as the stock chip.

Thank you, Brad

 

KVU, your comments are totally rediculous. No I never tuned my own car Then enlighten us who did, you right

As I said before I am not going to get into a pissing match over tuning techniques....mine produce results and yours well....DON"T. That is the true story.

24# injectors being static, huh? Well in your TGO mentallity and narrow minded focus they are. However, please explain how Corky who still has 24# injectors on his 434 went from 10.9s (on your static injector theory 2 years ago) to 10.2s on the same injectors on a motor with 28 more cubes, making roughly 100 more hp, running .7sec quicker? If the injectors were static then I guess his motor is making more power on air alone right?

This conversation has quickly degraded and I was very clear that I was not going to get into a pissing match over tuning techniques. KVU, if you want to showcase your skills, then get your 406 running where it should be with some hard proof other than hot air. You guys "theories" of what things should look like are your biggest downfall, and I could write for hours with all the very small thing you guys are doing totally wrong with your ideas - but I don't have the time or the desire. Your 406 is TOTALLY off pace with where its at. Its laughable that YOU and the other TGO gurus would say I don't know what I am doing when there are MANY examples of my tunes running 10s & 11s - with no other complaints. Take Jims 383/SR/24# injectors - runs 11.2s@121+ MPH, on static injectors right? If I were you, I would try to run static, cause you are about 2+ sec behind a smaller CI motor.

Now for the record, since these examples always get twisted around that I am arrogant, conceeded or talking down about other peoples setups if they are not in the 10s or 11s. That is not at all what I am saying. What I am saying is: If I were running a stock ECM, and some guy came on here with a 9sec ride, utilizing the same CI motor, running stock ECM, N/A - believe me, I would NOT talk down to him. Instead, I would try to learn everything and anything I could from him. If he instructed me to completely drop the way I am doing things, and use his methods, I would in a heartbeat. But only cause OBVIOUSLY from his RESULTS he is getting it done BETTER than I am with pretty much the same equipment.

Its a pretty simple concept. Regardless of how much some of you deny the RESULTS end of the arguement, there are few of us here on this forum reading to go slower. A few of us are nearing that point through, where slowing down will be mandatory - to stay within the safety regulations.

Brad. I am not avoiding your question at all, and made it very clear that I was not going to discuss my tuning techniques. Before all the accusations I was VERY free with my learning and posted lots of threads on many aspects of tuning to help individuals out. The fact of the matter is these posts, have really opened my eyes to how little people really know about these ECMs, and I have spent TONs of MY OWN TIME learning and LISTENING to guys that run much quicker than I am in different style cars. While their controls are not exactly the same, the concepts are very similiar.

With your specific tune, the fact of the matter is that you do not have an exotic setup and there are many others that have similiar setup that are also running my tune. The techniques used for yours is no different than the technique used on theirs.

Its pretty obvious that your mechanic, is not going to point the finger at himself, that is like taking your car to the dyno and having a guy tune it. You honestly this he is going to give you a printout of your car making less power?

I frequent a few other sites that have guys on there that make running 10s look like chump ETs. These guys have unlimited budgets, best of everything, most have 20+ years of building motors. But what is amazing is the common demoninator in all these sites, with beginners doing the work or seasoned veterans that are building with YEARs of experience, is there are guys on all sites having problems. Problems with elctrical, problems with rods bending, bearings on startup spinning, pistons cracking, rings not sealing, you name it - you will see it. Its the nature of the beast - as I said at the track to the other vette owners after I broke my 1/2 shaft on a launch. A few of them say the 1/2 shaft and said, bet your pissed that broke. My reply was pretty simple. "No, I am not mad at all, beyond the fact I can't make anymore passes. If you are out here with a modded up car, and going to get pissed about breaking something, this probably is not the sport you want to be in." Brad, please do not mistake this for making light of your situation, but once take the plunge to move from stock configuration, nobody can be 100% certain that problems will not be incountered - anyone that says you can, obviously doesn't understand motors. Its a mechanical unit, more power, means more problems. The amount of problems and work go up expodentially with power. In your case, you are not stretching the boundries of performance, and other setups running the same basic tune have no problems.

As always, if you need some help with the setup, I would be more than happy to offer any help I can.

 

I think the moderators should require Jesse to answer this most important question. Money is involved and the corvette forum IS allowing solicitation through the boards. If Jesse cannot give a legitimate answer then he should get the boot. It doesn't matter what his car can do. His actions towards other CF members is what should be question, especially when a PAID service is being provided. Don't forget his direct attacks and false accusations on me, which is in direct violation of the CF membership agreement.Think about it, there must be some reason there is a lifetime ban at TGO on him... I have proof to back up everything that I have stated. At some point, the integrity of this site could be in question. Members that feel "taken" by other members will not create a positive environment.

environment degrades= active membership declines


think about it.......




(Brad, you have the hot cam? If so then I have a chip from when I tuned my friends hot cammed l98. I can post the tuned VE tables, vs Jesse's stock tables.)

 

KVU.

You are rediculous, get outside of the box with your thought on tuning and the real world.

Do a search on every tuner associated with vettes - you will find people that love them and hate them. Do you think Cartek or VDs or Lingenfelters is going to post their R&D, cause someone demands it from them?

Also, remember who started the thread - You.

My suggestion is simple: Before giving out advice or making rediculous comparisons that have already been beat to death in the other thread, get some results that are going to give you some credibility with your setup before condemning those of us that DO. But "Wasn't that the true intent of the 9sec avartar " Oh yeah I know, it was a joke. No I think most of us know its intent was to give those of us that did not know you, that warm fuzzy feeling that you knew what you were talking about. Sorry to spoil your fun.

And why is it that you are on the corvette forum? I recall several posts that the TGO, where you clearly stated that vette owners were making up with thier car's for deficiencies in their anatomy? These comments come as they always do when you guys couldn't disprove the fact corky and I were doing exactly the opposite of what you preached - people called us liars that we were running injectors other than we said, etc. Till people came to the track and saw them run in person. Then there were no more ways to argue, so they banned us.

As always, I deliever exactly what we say we are. If you think you know more or can do better, have at it.

Since this conversation has degraded to trivial arguements, I will give you the last word KVU.

Brad, hope you take me up on my offer to help you in the future should you so choose to. If not, then best of wishes with the new setup.

 

kvu, no I'm sorry I have the LPE 219/219 cam....i've attached my sig here again for your convenience.

edit: after the 1rst rebuild, i did not have the SR upper kit, and it was not overbored .030"

 

Jesse, as you said my setup isn't exotic. And I made conscious descision not to have it done that way. I have a fairly simple, proven setup as you've said time & time again. Therefore, you should know very well how to get it close. You even said yourself - as I've repeated earlier in this thread - that you would get me 90% of the way there on the 1rst attempt - and the other 10% would be performance-related, and I wouldn't notice very much with this finer tuning. Whelp, unfortunately you what you did to my chip wasn't even in the same solar system, and I have alot of $$ I'll be paying for this horrific mistake.

As for your tuning secrets, I'm not asking for those, nor would I want to. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO EXPLAIN PLEASE AS TO WHY THE FUEL TABLES WOULD REMAIN EXACTLY THE SAME AS MY STOCK "ARFP" CODE CHIP. THIS MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.

Please advise as to whethwe you plan on taking responsibility - partial is all I ask - by making good on a $260 refund + 1/2 the cost to repair the damage to my engine & related parts (only that whcih is associated with the damage).

If you don't do this, then your colors are showing for all to see on this Forum.

Thank you for your consideration.

- Brad

P.S. Your offers to help out at this point, while kind of you, isn't what I need. I've got plenty of help from others. Please ask yourself if you were in my shoes, would you actually ever go back to the person who put you there in the 1rst place? TOO MUCH would have to be done to that chip, its sitting in a closet now so I can forever remember what NOT do to again. Bottom line: I've asked myself, "would I go back for more of the same?" The answer, in the mirror, was "No".

All I ever wanted was a car that was SAFE to drive on the street, I don't even race, for chrissake.

 

Brad, you got your answer. He refuses to explain why he didn't tune your chip. Then he makes up more stuff about me. This is a sad situation.

His defence is that LPE wouldn't discuss thier tuning techniques on a public forum. That is a solid point of view IF he did any tuning. The engine runs off the ve and pe fuel tables. He made no changes to those tables. He did no tuning.

You (mods) can't let him hide behind his racing status forever. There is a few people that is going to have his chips to disect. If the results are that no fueling changes was made, wouldn't you want fellow CF members to know. Remember what I said about the environment...