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When I turn the ignition to the on position a radiator fan comes on.
I have been told that this could be the source of my engine running rough with loss of power.
Does anyone know about this?
Where is the sensor located?
If I was to disconnect the sensor, would this turn the fan off and perhaps stop the the engine from running rough?
Thanks!
If I was to disconnect the sensor, would this turn the fan off and perhaps stop the the engine from running rough?
Thanks!
NO! First, your main fan is controlled by the ECM, not a switch (sensor?) like your auxiliary fan. If your A.C. is off and your engine hasn't warmed up enough to run the fan, the fan is a telltale symptom, not a cause. Pull your codes. Chances are that you have a code set that puts your ECM into the "limp home" mode. The engine will run, but poorly in this mode, hence it's name, and the ECM will switch on the fan, also. The fan running, isn't the problem, but it is a clue to track down the problem. Unplugging the fan won't help a thing. Just like coffee won't make you sober, unplugging the fan will leave you with a hot, poor running, engine.
AGENT 86, there is no code. I used a jumper and retrived the computer codes and all I go was 12's.
Also, your PDF is for a '86 no? Would it also apply to my '89? I'm not finding that page with a non scan diagnostic circuit check in my 1989 GM manual. I do appreciate the extra help though!
What's the "limp home mode", and where should I start looking?
It was once running rough and it turned out to be the MAF.
What do I need to do to check it to see if it's good?
Thanks again!
What's the "limp home mode", and where should I start looking?
The "limp home" mode is a set of preprogrammed SAFE timing and fuel calibrations that the ECM reverts back to when certain codes are detected to help prevent the engine from destroying itself, while allowing you to get home and not be stranded. It retards the timing, richens the fuel mixture, and turns on the fan.
Originally Posted by BIG K
It was once running rough and it turned out to be the MAF.
What do I need to do to check it to see if it's good?
Thanks again!
Maybe I should start over. Originally, I was having the above problems WITHOUT any codes. So my car at the beginning of this thread was in "the Limp Mode", without any codes. Where do I start looking?
Last night I disconnected the ECM. The fan still ran when the ignition key was in the on position engine off. Last I disconnected the fan relay switch. This did turn the fan off. So I replaced the aux fan relay switch. Fan still runs.
Now, I have a code 15. So what I'm wondering. If I replace the coolant temp sensor, would this be enough to take it out of the limp home mode and take care of the code 15?
Thanks
I have an 86. It threw a maff code while I was running a Hypertech chip. I replaced the maff. It then threw a prom code. I put the stoch prom back in, and all was OK. I then put the original maff back on, and it runs fine with no codes for past two months. Go figure.
I have an 86. It threw a maff code while I was running a Hypertech chip. I replaced the maff. It then threw a prom code. I put the stoch prom back in, and all was OK. I then put the original maff back on, and it runs fine with no codes for past two months. Go figure. I would consider replacing the prom if there are no codes (about $100)
Last night I disconnected the ECM. The fan still ran when the ignition key was in the on position engine off. Last I disconnected the fan relay switch. This did turn the fan off. So I replaced the aux fan relay switch. Fan still runs.
That is what happens when you throw money at the problem, instead of testing components. Had you followed an organized, logical, course of trouble shooting, you would have learned that the fan relay was OK and gone on to find the likely shorted wire.
Originally Posted by BIG K
Now, I have a code 15. So what I'm wondering. If I replace the coolant temp sensor, would this be enough to take it out of the limp home mode and take care of the code 15?
Thanks
It might. Maybe it would pay to TEST the sensor, instead of throwing more money at it. Don't shoot the messenger...Troubleshoot.
That is what happens when you throw money at the problem, instead of testing components.
It might. Maybe it would pay to TEST the sensor, instead of throwing more money at it. Don't shoot the messenger...Troubleshoot.
RACE ON!!!
I wish I had all the thrown out money from some of the people of this forum.
Thanks for trying to help and fix the problem instead of being cridtical. We all have to learn.
Does anyone have any ideas that could help me?
I already picked up a coolant temp sensor ($10.00). It came with a connector too. I'm going to see what happens with replacing them today and move on.
Again that's for your time and patience this time of the year!
A friend had a slight hick up in his without any codes-it took him 2 years before he traced it to the temp sensor-he reasoned that the ECM corrected for it b4 it could throw a code-now he's happy.But he never said anything about the fan comming on imediately.
Last edited by rick lambert; Dec 16, 2005 at 10:00 AM.