C4 Pinks!
Racer
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From: Marlboro NY
dont think a torque converter will overheat in 30 seconds besides after its stall speed its considered 'locked up'. If it is A lockup converter it can be locked with an override switch like I used on my stock trans immediatley after launch. Locked 1st-4th. I picked up quite a bit of horse and and traction with goodyears with it locked off the line. went from a best of 12.65 unlocked @ 108.2 to a 12.363 @ 112.04 locked. I wish I still had a lockup on the new trans (still a 700r4) it seem to get around 30+ more horse.
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From: Poop land
Originally Posted by ski_dwn_it
Ask the dude with the crotch rocket this past summer if it will last....he was pleasantly surprised. Can't say for how long we were at it, but it was scarey and I usually do not screw around on the roads. That is what the tracks are for.
Figured it out, 2.59 gears with a 7k redline is 209MPH. Not saying it would do 209, but I can tell you it would come damn close I am sure and she is still pullin like a freight train at the end of the 1/4 mile. Enough my adrenaline is flowin after each pass - even after hundreds of passes - still not 100% used to it.
It would be neat to try one of these flyin 1/4 mile runs. My cousin came up from Florida and runs a roush racing Mustand through these. We were at my family reunion this past summer and he was talking about his racing experience and he came over the house to see my car the next day. We went for a ride in mine and I got on it a little through some straight stretches and he was nearly crawling out the window and scare crapless as he put it. Told me he did not even want to get in his supercharged professionally built mustang after that experience.
Onto the PINKs show. Its kinda queer how they do the races there. The few shows I watched they are at a dragstrip and the guy waves his arms to start the race. Why not use the friggin lights and handicap the racers with their times, ie, dial in. If a guy wants lengths, then just have the light come down accordingly. Last episode they were griping about a false start...redlight would have taken care of the controversy. But then I guess there would not have been the arguement.
Figured it out, 2.59 gears with a 7k redline is 209MPH. Not saying it would do 209, but I can tell you it would come damn close I am sure and she is still pullin like a freight train at the end of the 1/4 mile. Enough my adrenaline is flowin after each pass - even after hundreds of passes - still not 100% used to it.
It would be neat to try one of these flyin 1/4 mile runs. My cousin came up from Florida and runs a roush racing Mustand through these. We were at my family reunion this past summer and he was talking about his racing experience and he came over the house to see my car the next day. We went for a ride in mine and I got on it a little through some straight stretches and he was nearly crawling out the window and scare crapless as he put it. Told me he did not even want to get in his supercharged professionally built mustang after that experience.
Onto the PINKs show. Its kinda queer how they do the races there. The few shows I watched they are at a dragstrip and the guy waves his arms to start the race. Why not use the friggin lights and handicap the racers with their times, ie, dial in. If a guy wants lengths, then just have the light come down accordingly. Last episode they were griping about a false start...redlight would have taken care of the controversy. But then I guess there would not have been the arguement.
So are you gonna put some tall rear gear like a 2.xx on your 434 and try the mile??
Racer
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From: Marlboro NY
i can donate the 90' 2.59 replacement rear that just came out of my 86' if you need to prove a point ski. believe me it would go over 200 mph at 7000+ rpms with good size tires. I was crossing the traps in second with a 700r4 at 118+ at 7000 rpm. my car should go 197 at 7000 with that gear provided it had the power to push that mph and thats with 25.6" 315/35/17's.
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Originally Posted by Gold1986Vette420
I picked up quite a bit of horse and and traction with goodyears with it locked off the line. went from a best of 12.65 unlocked @ 108.2 to a 12.363 @ 112.04 locked. I wish I still had a lockup on the new trans (still a 700r4) it seem to get around 30+ more horse.
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From: Poop land
I bet if Jesse only got a custom 2.45 rear gear on a D44, a strong stall converter and built up a 700-R4, his setup would easily be able to push 200 mph. I'd like to see an in car vid of one of his races. Does anyone have a pic of their digidash exceeding 200 mph??? I already know 89x2 has done 188 mph in the Callaway.
Racer
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From: Marlboro NY
ski could run 209 with a 26" tire and 2.59s with a turbo 400 at just about 7000 rpm. if the power is there and i am guessing it is because he way overpowers a 510hp viper and they have a similar drag coeficient and more weight and those vipers are capable of 190.
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From: South Carolina
St. Jude Donor '03 & '05
Originally Posted by Gold1986Vette420
dont think a torque converter will overheat in 30 seconds besides after its stall speed its considered 'locked up'. If it is A lockup converter it can be locked with an override switch like I used on my stock trans immediatley after launch. Locked 1st-4th. I picked up quite a bit of horse and and traction with goodyears with it locked off the line. went from a best of 12.65 unlocked @ 108.2 to a 12.363 @ 112.04 locked. I wish I still had a lockup on the new trans (still a 700r4) it seem to get around 30+ more horse.
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From: Manassas VA
Originally Posted by steve40th
Not to steal the thread, but can you tell me where and how you hooked up this lock up switch?
Steve, I think all you have to do is jump out pins A and F on the aldl connector. This will cause lockup in 2-4 and only disengage when you brake or go into first. Look at your owners manual and confirm that is the correct pins first though.
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St. Jude Donor '03 & '05
Originally Posted by 93 ragtop
Steve, I think all you have to do is jump out pins A and F on the aldl connector. This will cause lockup in 2-4 and only disengage when you brake or go into first. Look at your owners manual and confirm that is the correct pins first though.
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From: St Marys PA
Originally Posted by JrRifleCoach
I thought the L/U on the stock converters were weak and couldn't withstand full power. Is this correct? Or do the "top shelf" TQ's have upgraded L/U clutches?
The lockup will NOT take effect till you hit 2nd gear and from then on it will be locked, very similiar to a manual tranmission. Basically all your doing is making the trans more efficient.
As for me going 200mph, call me yellow, but I aint driving the car at those speeds.
I have too much to live for, at those speeds something happens your toast no matter what you have in your car for safety. Although it would be exciting to try and I think my car would be able to break that barrier with a gear change. I know I have seen 140 on the speedo a few times through the 1/4 if I run it out the back and with 3/4 of a mile left, I can't imagine how fast it would be going at the end. Mack is right also with the situation these guys are in. I think you would see more of them sweating bullets if they truely cared about their cars like we do ours.
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I 've been reading about a mile run and it does make for good bench racing. I think guys like ski-down, 85, jburnett and others have enough motor/trans to make it happen.
What I see is if you were set the car up for a mile (or even bigger mph)they would have to change the car for it to remain stable. Suspension changes, tire combo would be the first place.
The gear ratio would only be a small part to gain MPH, it would stability issues when you are the one driving it, and the car starts heading into the 200 zone. jmo
What I see is if you were set the car up for a mile (or even bigger mph)they would have to change the car for it to remain stable. Suspension changes, tire combo would be the first place.
The gear ratio would only be a small part to gain MPH, it would stability issues when you are the one driving it, and the car starts heading into the 200 zone. jmo
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From: Severna Park MD
Originally Posted by mseven
I 've been reading about a mile run and it does make for good bench racing. I think guys like ski-down, 85, jburnett and others have enough motor/trans to make it happen.
What I see is if you were set the car up for a mile (or even bigger mph)they would have to change the car for it to remain stable. Suspension changes, tire combo would be the first place.
The gear ratio would only be a small part to gain MPH, it would stability issues when you are the one driving it, and the car starts heading into the 200 zone. jmo
What I see is if you were set the car up for a mile (or even bigger mph)they would have to change the car for it to remain stable. Suspension changes, tire combo would be the first place.
The gear ratio would only be a small part to gain MPH, it would stability issues when you are the one driving it, and the car starts heading into the 200 zone. jmo
Back to the topic of walking off car lengths for the start, guys were bringing out their own tree way back in the 60s for street races. I agree that the Pinks method is so bogus as to be nothing but Tv fantasy. On the other hand if you are allowed to set a dial for a grudge race you know exactly what you can do. If you negotiate some car lengths start there is some guess work involved even if you know exactly what your car will do for ET.
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I've seen every episode I think. And on most the guys know each other and they have seen each others cars for some time. There are a couple that were built for the show, certainly still not at no expense. I've seen bikes and even a go-kart be lost.
The premise of the show is "Lose the race and lose your car". That is exactly what happens. I don't understand what else one might be expecting.
The premise of the show is "Lose the race and lose your car". That is exactly what happens. I don't understand what else one might be expecting.
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I don't want to burst anyone's bubble but they do NOT race for pinks on that show...I know two guys that have participated and NO cars were lost...I have also spoken to the track manager at Orlando and he reluctantly confirmed that no cars were ever lost...
I do know there are side bets though...one guy I know won $5000 from his opponent...the rest of the hoopla is just made for TV ....
I do know there are side bets though...one guy I know won $5000 from his opponent...the rest of the hoopla is just made for TV ....
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Originally Posted by Fuzzy Dice
I don't want to burst anyone's bubble but they do NOT race for pinks on that show...I know two guys that have participated and NO cars were lost...I have also spoken to the track manager at Orlando and he reluctantly confirmed that no cars were ever lost...
I do know there are side bets though...one guy I know won $5000 from his opponent...the rest of the hoopla is just made for TV ....
I do know there are side bets though...one guy I know won $5000 from his opponent...the rest of the hoopla is just made for TV ....
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Originally Posted by Fuzzy Dice
I don't want to burst anyone's bubble but they do NOT race for pinks on that show...I know two guys that have participated and NO cars were lost...I have also spoken to the track manager at Orlando and he reluctantly confirmed that no cars were ever lost...
I do know there are side bets though...one guy I know won $5000 from his opponent...the rest of the hoopla is just made for TV ....
I do know there are side bets though...one guy I know won $5000 from his opponent...the rest of the hoopla is just made for TV ....
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Chuck, I think that is a good idea, the mile race, they do negotiate length of race. Heck, I'd like to see some of the road racers who get sick of every performance question being answered based on 1/4mi performance, give time or lengths to a few drag racers at a road course. I have a good one in mind for that...
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Originally Posted by Fuzzy Dice
I don't want to burst anyone's bubble but they do NOT race for pinks on that show...I know two guys that have participated and NO cars were lost...I have also spoken to the track manager at Orlando and he reluctantly confirmed that no cars were ever lost...
I do know there are side bets though...one guy I know won $5000 from his opponent...the rest of the hoopla is just made for TV ....
I do know there are side bets though...one guy I know won $5000 from his opponent...the rest of the hoopla is just made for TV ....
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From: Edmonton AB
Originally Posted by FELNGR8
Sonny set the record for the 175 mile class. His
post is in the archives so I can't reference it here, the
link won't work. It is titled " i set 2 Land Speed
Records this weekend!! " posted on 04-04-2005. It's
the Monster mile at Maxton.
post is in the archives so I can't reference it here, the
link won't work. It is titled " i set 2 Land Speed
Records this weekend!! " posted on 04-04-2005. It's
the Monster mile at Maxton.
Here's the link.