Nitrous
Thread Starter
Racer
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 377
Likes: 14
From: Auburn Hills Michigan
Nitrous
What do you guys think about a cheater nitrous setup that taps into the bottom of the upper intake plenum? I am thinking two fogger jets one for cylinders 1234 and one for cylinders 5678. If you understand what i am trying to say please tell me why it would work or why you think it may not. I am thinking of just doing a 100 or maybe a 150 shot nothing huge. I just dont like the thought of using one fogger jet up front or even the plate system because i dont think the rear cylinders will get the gas. Has anyone tried anything new like this with there system and has it worked or blown the motor?
Melting Slicks
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 3,014
Likes: 18
From: Raleigh, NC
It will work, some of the LT1 guys are using a system like you are describing. The most difficult part is plumbing N20 and fuel into the lifter valley.
EDIT: Wow, I should learn to read. I was thinking of something completely different than what you are describing.
I think you will run into distribution problems with only 2 foggers in the plenum (you have an L98 right?) and that an intake tract style system might be a better choice.
EDIT: Wow, I should learn to read. I was thinking of something completely different than what you are describing.
I think you will run into distribution problems with only 2 foggers in the plenum (you have an L98 right?) and that an intake tract style system might be a better choice.
Last edited by neat; Dec 21, 2006 at 02:23 PM. Reason: I am retarded
Safety Car
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,624
Likes: 431
From: Dale City VA
With only 2 foggers in the plenum your going to have major distribution problems IMO.
Theres not much room in the intake in front of the 4 forward intake ports for your mixture to properly distribute itself to those ports. It may work as there is a huge signal at the port when the valve opens but, personally I think everything will go strait to the 4 back ports.
Your are better off running the foggers forward of the throttle body with one on each side (ie on fogger per throttle blade).
I know this makes it harder to hide everything but, the only way to plumb it right (and safely)from the bottom is to use 4 foggers IMO.
Will
Theres not much room in the intake in front of the 4 forward intake ports for your mixture to properly distribute itself to those ports. It may work as there is a huge signal at the port when the valve opens but, personally I think everything will go strait to the 4 back ports.
Your are better off running the foggers forward of the throttle body with one on each side (ie on fogger per throttle blade).
I know this makes it harder to hide everything but, the only way to plumb it right (and safely)from the bottom is to use 4 foggers IMO.
Will
Last edited by rklessdriver; Dec 21, 2006 at 09:45 AM.
Thread Starter
Racer
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 377
Likes: 14
From: Auburn Hills Michigan
Yeah i was thinking of that setup as well with 4 injectors angled to go straight into the runners. I am just worried that i wont have enough fuel pressue to support 4 injectors but i may be wrong about that. Thanks for all the help and if anyone has already tried this please post a pisture or get in touch with me.
Team Owner
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 26,196
Likes: 0
From: Orlando FL
St. Jude Donor '08-'09
Nitrous ain't cheatin'!
if by "cheater" you mean "hidden install", you can pretty much do a nearly hidden install by putting the nozzel just in front of the TB and wrapping it in black tape. It looks just like a sensor just like everything else plugged into the engine. Everything else can be hidden easily if you have long enough hoses.
if by "cheater" you mean "hidden install", you can pretty much do a nearly hidden install by putting the nozzel just in front of the TB and wrapping it in black tape. It looks just like a sensor just like everything else plugged into the engine. Everything else can be hidden easily if you have long enough hoses.
Thread Starter
Racer
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 377
Likes: 14
From: Auburn Hills Michigan
Yeah i know its not cheating. I want it to be hidden like you said but i dont want to hurt the motor that i just bought with a single fogger in front of the TB. I just want to know if what i am proposing will work or if it is worse than the single fogger in front of the TB.
Corvette Stories
The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts
10 Revolutionary 'Corvette Firsts' Most People Don't Know
Joe Kucinski
5 Reasons to Upgrade to an LS6-Powered Corvette; 5 Reasons to Stay LT2
Michael S. Palmer
2027 Corvette vs The World: Every C8 vs Its Closest Competitor
Joe Kucinski
10 Most Common Corvette Problems of the Last 20 Years!
Joe Kucinski
5 MOST and 5 LEAST Popular Corvette Model Years in History!
Joe Kucinski
2027 Corvette Buyer's Guide: Everything You Need to Know!
Joe Kucinski
10 Things C8 Corvette Owners Hate (But Won't Tell You)
Joe Kucinski
10 Best Corvettes Coming to Barrett-Jackson Palm Beach 2026!
Brett Foote
Every Corvette Grand Sport Explained! (C2, C4, C6, C7, & C8)
Joe Kucinski
Safety Car
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,624
Likes: 431
From: Dale City VA
Like I said if you move it behind the throttle body I think you are going to have all kinds of distribution problems.
If you want to hide it, move it to the bottom (fogger pointing up vertically) of the air cleaner hose about 3- 4" from the front of the TB and wrap it in tape, then put some plastic wire loom covering on the hoses and route them along the general direction with a nice big wiring harness near by.
Take your time making it look ike a wiring harness and a sensor and it will look like it belongs there.
Belive me your not the first person to do this. Its actually pretty easy, lots of places to hide stuff under the hood of a Corvette.
Will
If you want to hide it, move it to the bottom (fogger pointing up vertically) of the air cleaner hose about 3- 4" from the front of the TB and wrap it in tape, then put some plastic wire loom covering on the hoses and route them along the general direction with a nice big wiring harness near by.
Take your time making it look ike a wiring harness and a sensor and it will look like it belongs there.Belive me your not the first person to do this. Its actually pretty easy, lots of places to hide stuff under the hood of a Corvette.
Will
Thread Starter
Racer
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 377
Likes: 14
From: Auburn Hills Michigan
aright thanks looks like i will be placing one fogger in front of the TB and using that black plastic wrap to hide it. I am now thinking about maybe two in front of the TB maybe one for each blade like u previously mentioned.
Racer
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 442
Likes: 0
From: Albany Oregon
Iroc, you migh have better luck if you have a mod move this thread to http://forums.corvetteforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=87
Just tryin to help. I know some guys (such as myself) look only in some areas of forums and avoid others due to lack of intrest. I happened to stumble onto your thread and my own mod skilz kicked in!
Just tryin to help. I know some guys (such as myself) look only in some areas of forums and avoid others due to lack of intrest. I happened to stumble onto your thread and my own mod skilz kicked in!
Thread Starter
Racer
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 377
Likes: 14
From: Auburn Hills Michigan
yeah i actually did post it there first actually and then posted the same thing here. no one responded in the forced induction/ nitrous thread and i got 10 replies here i am still looking for advice or pictures. thanks
Melting Slicks
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 2,951
Likes: 3
From: Mount Vernon OH
What do you guys think about a cheater nitrous setup that taps into the bottom of the upper intake plenum? I am thinking two fogger jets one for cylinders 1234 and one for cylinders 5678. If you understand what i am trying to say please tell me why it would work or why you think it may not. I am thinking of just doing a 100 or maybe a 150 shot nothing huge. I just dont like the thought of using one fogger jet up front or even the plate system because i dont think the rear cylinders will get the gas. Has anyone tried anything new like this with there system and has it worked or blown the motor?
NitrousSam
Thread Starter
Racer
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 377
Likes: 14
From: Auburn Hills Michigan
Ok, like i said i want to use a 150 shot nothing big but what i am doing is using foggers because i can get them for free. Angelo Valla, a Pro-8 racer and my best friend, offered to help me build this motor and put a shot on it. I have done all of his computer controlled timing on his car for the last year and a half and i know a lot about big shots like 400+ but i have never installed or worked on a computer controlled fuel injected street car with a small nitrous setup. To answer your question i want it hidden because i want to be able to open the hood at a car show and say its original. Theres nothing more to it than that. I understand the distribution problems now and also realize that if the computer is going to recognize the added air it will need to go through the MAF right? Nitrous Sam sounds like he knows what he is talking about and i would love to hear back from you again. Thanks for all the help guys.
Melting Slicks
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 2,951
Likes: 3
From: Mount Vernon OH
Ok, like i said i want to use a 150 shot nothing big but what i am doing is using foggers because i can get them for free. Angelo Valla, a Pro-8 racer and my best friend, offered to help me build this motor and put a shot on it. I have done all of his computer controlled timing on his car for the last year and a half and i know a lot about big shots like 400+ but i have never installed or worked on a computer controlled fuel injected street car with a small nitrous setup. To answer your question i want it hidden because i want to be able to open the hood at a car show and say its original. Theres nothing more to it than that. I understand the distribution problems now and also realize that if the computer is going to recognize the added air it will need to go through the MAF right? Nitrous Sam sounds like he knows what he is talking about and i would love to hear back from you again. Thanks for all the help guys.
Sam
Race Director
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 18,484
Likes: 1
From: Everyday you must choose between the pain of discipline and the pain of regret. Fredericktown, OH
Ok, like i said i want to use a 150 shot nothing big but what i am doing is using foggers because i can get them for free. Angelo Valla, a Pro-8 racer and my best friend, offered to help me build this motor and put a shot on it. I have done all of his computer controlled timing on his car for the last year and a half and i know a lot about big shots like 400+ but i have never installed or worked on a computer controlled fuel injected street car with a small nitrous setup. To answer your question i want it hidden because i want to be able to open the hood at a car show and say its original. Theres nothing more to it than that. I understand the distribution problems now and also realize that if the computer is going to recognize the added air it will need to go through the MAF right? Nitrous Sam sounds like he knows what he is talking about and i would love to hear back from you again. Thanks for all the help guys.
Oh, you could do far worse than listening to NitrousSam . . . he's been playing with N20 for many years.
Melting Slicks
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 2,951
Likes: 3
From: Mount Vernon OH
Ok, like i said i want to use a 150 shot nothing big but what i am doing is using foggers because i can get them for free. Angelo Valla, a Pro-8 racer and my best friend, offered to help me build this motor and put a shot on it. I have done all of his computer controlled timing on his car for the last year and a half and i know a lot about big shots like 400+ but i have never installed or worked on a computer controlled fuel injected street car with a small nitrous setup. To answer your question i want it hidden because i want to be able to open the hood at a car show and say its original. Theres nothing more to it than that. I understand the distribution problems now and also realize that if the computer is going to recognize the added air it will need to go through the MAF right? Nitrous Sam sounds like he knows what he is talking about and i would love to hear back from you again. Thanks for all the help guys.
PM received and replied.