Update: C-4 vs. WRX
Burning Brakes
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per road and track 2003 article curb weight of a STI is 3200lbs about the same as a C4 vette
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...2003134229.pdf
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Since mid feb to till now, i have drag racing every week infact twice last week and i raced with WRX few times, none of em came ran 12's all of em are in 13.xx, off the launch they never beat me but come close at the finish line, i have too many mods on my car though, my best run so far 12.321at 110 with 1.749 60 ft time but pretty much 12.4-12.6 consistent, advantage of those cars are light weight and they weigh only 2500 lbs. see mods under sig.
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Burning Brakes
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Team Owner
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From: San Diego , CA Double Yellow DirtBags 1985..Z51..6-speed
My cousin had one of those. Idiot got drunk and crashed it a few times. He rolled it also, and lost his license afterwards for DUI. We still drove it around town though. The frame was bent and it scooted a little bit sideways down the road.
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From: Perth Western Australia
they are so tinny, i bet a gust of wind caused him to roll
Le Mans Master
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From: Dublin CA
I don't know if you can easily remove the cat on your car, but if you can and bolt in a "test pipe" you should shave off .3 to .5 seconds off the quarter mile. Even with a "HI FLOW" cat, they are still restrictive. I was measuring my Magnaflow cat yesterday and discovered that it "hour glasses" into and out of the cat. It is reduced down to 2-5/16" x 2-1/2" before it opens to 2-1/2"x3-5/8". That is the clear opening, you have all the honey comb inside. A straight through pipe will open things up .
When you are done at the track, just bolt the cat back in to stay legal.
.When you are done at the track, just bolt the cat back in to stay legal.
Drifting
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From: 2003 Points Champ Great Lakes Corvette Challenge; 2006/2007 Winner MSD True Street
Interesting thread.
I own a C4 and a WRX.
No comparison.
How many 20-30 year old subarus do you see at cruise nights?
My wrx is a very fun, fast, daily driver.
It is an absolute blast to drive in the snow.
The subaru WRX does all the stuff I would never use a vette for.
Drive in snow, rain, lousy weather.
Shopping carts, sports equipment, drive to the city (Chicago).
I would never take my wrx to the track, because, well I have a reputation.
I have raced wrx's with my vette and I never loose. STI or otherwise.
But's that's just me.(on the track, supervised, legal, saftey equipment, fully sanctioned of course)
Two different cars. Who cares if he beats your car?
IT's a GROCERY GETTER!!! (fast, but a grocery getter)
If you put that import on the same level as a classic American Sports/muscle car, what's next???
A Toyota is NASCAR?? ummm, wait a minute...
Well you get my point.
Matt383
I own a C4 and a WRX.
No comparison.
How many 20-30 year old subarus do you see at cruise nights?
My wrx is a very fun, fast, daily driver.
It is an absolute blast to drive in the snow.
The subaru WRX does all the stuff I would never use a vette for.
Drive in snow, rain, lousy weather.
Shopping carts, sports equipment, drive to the city (Chicago).
I would never take my wrx to the track, because, well I have a reputation.
I have raced wrx's with my vette and I never loose. STI or otherwise.
But's that's just me.(on the track, supervised, legal, saftey equipment, fully sanctioned of course)
Two different cars. Who cares if he beats your car?
IT's a GROCERY GETTER!!! (fast, but a grocery getter)
If you put that import on the same level as a classic American Sports/muscle car, what's next???
A Toyota is NASCAR?? ummm, wait a minute...
Well you get my point.
Matt383
Last edited by Matt383; Mar 9, 2007 at 08:22 AM.
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From: Perth Western Australia
Interesting thread.
I own a C4 and a WRX.
No comparison.
How many 20-30 year old subarus do you see at cruise nights?
My wrx is a very fun, fast, daily driver.
It is an absolute blast to drive in the snow.
The subaru WRX does all the stuff I would never use a vette for.
Drive in snow, rain, lousy weather.
Shopping carts, sports equipment, drive to the city (Chicago).
I would never take my wrx to the track, because, well I have a reputation.
I have raced wrx's with my vette and I never loose. STI or otherwise.
But's that's just me.(on the track, supervised, legal, saftey equipment, fully sanctioned of course)
Two different cars. Who cares if he beats your car?
IT's a GROCERY GETTER!!! (fast, but a grocery getter)
If you put that import on the same level as a classic American Sports/muscle car, what's next???
A Toyota is NASCAR?? ummm, wait a minute...
Well you get my point.
Matt383
I own a C4 and a WRX.
No comparison.
How many 20-30 year old subarus do you see at cruise nights?
My wrx is a very fun, fast, daily driver.
It is an absolute blast to drive in the snow.
The subaru WRX does all the stuff I would never use a vette for.
Drive in snow, rain, lousy weather.
Shopping carts, sports equipment, drive to the city (Chicago).
I would never take my wrx to the track, because, well I have a reputation.
I have raced wrx's with my vette and I never loose. STI or otherwise.
But's that's just me.(on the track, supervised, legal, saftey equipment, fully sanctioned of course)
Two different cars. Who cares if he beats your car?
IT's a GROCERY GETTER!!! (fast, but a grocery getter)
If you put that import on the same level as a classic American Sports/muscle car, what's next???
A Toyota is NASCAR?? ummm, wait a minute...
Well you get my point.
Matt383
nice reply
Instructor
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From: Minnesota
Talking auto cross, we teach the Vette guys to leave their ego's and expectations at the gate. These short wheelbase 4wd high horsepower to weight imports will kick your butt. When it's all over, they still wish they had a Vette. Just remember the LT-Xs also rely on higher rpm for horsepower.
Ok will someone please explain to my how a 4 door with a blow dryer and awd, beat a purpose-built-for-handling, sports car??????
They Weigh the same!!
Im not bashing the STi I think they are Awesome cars (least Ricer 4cyl out there) but c'mon how does this:
lose to this?:
Team Owner
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From: San Diego , CA Double Yellow DirtBags 1985..Z51..6-speed
Easy. That STi has the C4 beat by about 20 years worth of technology.
The STi is just as purpose built as the C4. In fact, it's been improved through years of racing. The early C4s have absolutely zero racing pedigree.
The STi is just as purpose built as the C4. In fact, it's been improved through years of racing. The early C4s have absolutely zero racing pedigree.
Last edited by CentralCoaster; Mar 9, 2007 at 09:24 PM.
Melting Slicks
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From: North Carolina
You'd be hard pressed to find a car as old as the C4 that is as solid and well-rounded a performer even compared to the newest performance cars. We may not win every time, but we'll certainly give just about everyone a run for their money at a fraction of the price.
Team Owner
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From: San Diego , CA Double Yellow DirtBags 1985..Z51..6-speed
SCCA showroom stock racing began in 85 for the vette, after it was developed. These changed weren't seen until 1988.
Chevrolet was not actively involved in it's own racing development with the Corvette until the C5.
Last edited by CentralCoaster; Mar 9, 2007 at 09:51 PM.
Burning Brakes
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From: Lakeland fl
AWD is awesome. I own a 1993 GMC Typhoon, and that thing has an awesome launch, even though its 90% stock. I doubt there are many cars or trucks (stock or mildly modded) that could beat one. The bad news is that it runs out of breath early.
I still love the Vette though.
I still love the Vette though.
Safety Car
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From: Poop land
If a 2.0L Evo or 2.5L 4 bangin' Suby can push a 3200 lb car faster than a regular 5.7L V8 can, then its a torque monster! Better put that in a Vette cuz it can push it faster than an old worn out Chebby motor... 
Burning Brakes
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From: Ontario
Back door again.........
Engines were said to be within "5 horsepower " of each other......
Been there, ...saw it!
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