i agree.

and i'm afraid to find out what that ratio of jerks to good guys really is.

 

Sounds like you've got some jealousy issues yourself. Your buddy does have a ten second car. If he can get it to make a ten second pass or not makes no difference. He's right he's not going to get beat by much on the street and just like your buddy who may not be able to get the best time out of his C6 Z neither can 95% of the other drivers on the road so the guy with the quicker car has the advantage.

 

I think what NEAT is trying to say is...

Don't use someone else's timeslip as a crutch. If all you can muster is a 13 second pass, then guess what, your $50K sportscar is a 13 second car anytime you're behind the wheel.

There's too many Corvette owners that run their mouth faster than they run their car.


Here's another one:

"Yeah so his rice rocket is faster than me, but its still not a Corvette."


No, if I was trying to start an "e-fight" (what a word! ), then I'd post this:

 

ok guys,enough is enough!!!!!
we are all vette lovers,we are all in the same boat so stop bagging each other!
if a fu*cked up rice burner got on our site and was bragging /being a smart *** fair enough lets bag him/give him sh*it and pi*ss him of but he hasnt!
we should all stick togeather and agree to disagree and be done with it dont you think!!!
and this is all getting of the topic a bit as well!
" vettes are the best, chuck out the rest " and be done with it.
i just want us all to still remain friends/allies thats all!
cheers guys
glen
Australia

 

I can be friends with anyone that doesn't make false accusations about me. My car is not the fastest on the road. It is the fastest and best handling car I have owned.

 

Whats worse is C4 owners attempting the high end snobbery driving $5000 Vettes....Were the bottom of the Vette barrel as it is!

 

You know, you are right...but the good guys I've come to know MORE than make up for the jerks.


:sigh: Truer words.....


Larry
code5coupe

 

Who cares? You have a Corvette. The WRX will end up in the junkyard and your Corvette will eventually rise in value.

 

The way I think of most of this stuff is hp to $$$ ratio. Having the larger engine makes it much easier and cheaper to make more power. Yeah you gain some weight, but you gain much more power.
Having it be that most gear heads are not going to leave their car stock, why start with the smaller engine that in theory is always going to make less power (when you spend the same amount of money on either direction you go).
Yes those engines (wrx engines) are capable of making quite a bit of power, but a vette with a larger engine will always have the higher capability.
So unless you just paticularly like the wrx, which is fine, why not choose the vette with the higher power capability and cheaper cost to power, not to even mention how much easier it is to work on a chevy small block opposed to a wrx engine.

Does nobody agree on the horsepower to money ratio concept here?
This is why I always figured that sport compact cars were more of a trend than anything, yes the cars make some power, but damn all that work and moeny to get it there. And how long is that little engine going to last on all the boost?

 

I own one of each too. The I bought the '94 Vette pretty worn out at 107k miles with the intent to modify because of it's potential...not because it's a "vette". With 100k+ miles on both cars, it beats the wrx in two catagories: quarter mile and impressing people. That's about it. For every given year, the vette is at the top, but 10 years later it takes a c5/c6 to beat up the evo's and sti's...a c4 isn't going to do it without being modded. Before I get flamed..I'm going to throw out my impressions.

My '03 Wrx wagon was bought as a family hauler.

reliability: I've not modified it other than a $35 manual boost controller because it needs to stay 100% reliable (my Vette's constantly apart for both good and bad reasons). With 132k on the clock so far, it's needed: oil, brake pads, struts every 50k, a clutch at 107k, and a timing belt at 90k. The balljoints on the front currently need replaced but other than that it's been p-e-r-f-e-c-t. I've towed trailers and cars behind it.

Speed: Sans manual boost controller it tops 143 easily and it runs a 14.7-14.85 at 93mph w/ an easy 1.9 60 ft. .5 sec off the quarter with a $35 manual boost controller).

Handling: The brakes suck, it kicks *** in the rain and snow. I can pour "into" any corner much faster because of the confidence it instills (relatively small tires that break away smoothly). Here's why..the chassis is much much stiffer than a c4, the suspension cornerweights from the factory are about perfect, and each corner is very compliant when hitting a pothole or bump mid corner. I haven't tried it yet, but I'm fairly certain it's equal in an autocross with my Vette. In a smooth 70mph sweeper, my vette will catch up at corner exit (after it takes a set) and will leave the wrx behind. A stock STI or Evo8 equals the 102-ish mph trap speed, so I don't think I'd beat myself driving one of those. It's not the ultimate g force, but the stability that counts for most fast driving.

But yeah, when the wrx does finally wear out. I'll send it to the junk yard.. no big deal because it's not special.

So am I dismayed with the vette? Not really. The Vette now has Baer brakes, coilovers, and I'm building the engine up to 500+hp. With a full cage, it will be a lot stiffer and it's going to kick Subaru/Mitsu/Viper/Mustang cobra's butt. The best part has been gutting the car..everything that used to break or rattle is sitting in boxes in my basement. When this thing hits the street again, it's going to change a lot of import guys' opinion of Vettes being waxxer mobiles The sledgehammer's coming down.

 

The Corvette will always remain a CORVETTE. In a few years, nobody will remember what the heck a WRX is (except maybe Barrett-Jackson).

 

poor answer. wrong deal. and precisely one of the main reason corvette owners earned the reputation we do (which isn't the greatest).

 

Your have given some really stupid replys, but WTF is this supposed to mean?

 

Actually, he's sort of right.

Corvettes, even C4s will gain value eventually because there will be enough snobs with money collecting them that believe they are the greatest thing on 4 wheels. No WRX or other recently-born sportscar of the like will ever benefit from that.

The Corvette's heritage is founded on elitist attitudes. Whether or not it had performance, people have always put it on a pedestal.

 

As far as import modding goes, you can buy a 92-95 Honda Civic hatch here nowadays for about 3 grand.

Here are the usual options most Honda tuners go for:

For 3 grand more, you can swap in a base Integra B18A or B18B 140 hp motor and it will run low 15s all day, reliably.

For 2 grand more on a B18B motor swap, you can simply swap the heads. Put a VTEC head on it and you may run low 14s unreliably, because of the bad R/S ratio. Stock B18A/B18B blocks don't like to be revved over 8000 rpms.

You can buy a Integra GSR motor B18C1 170 hp for 4 grand and it will run high 14s all day, reliably.

You can buy an Integra Type R motor B18C5, 195 hp for 5 grand and it will run mid to low 14s all day, reliably. This is stock L98 C4 territory.


You can swap in a H22A Prelude motor in, 200 hp for about 5 grand as well and you can expect to run high to mid 13s all day, reliably. This is stock LT1 C4 territory.

Or you can go all out and buy a K20A2 RSX Type-S motor, 210 hp for 7 grand and invest about 3 more grand in some fab work and not to mention a ridiculous amount of money for those highly sought after motor mounts and run mid to low 13s all day, reliably. This is stock LT4 C4 territory.

Wanna turbo it? Invest about 10-15 grand on any of those aforementioned motor swaps and you will be in the 12s or even 11s all day, unreliably til your motor pops...

To beef up any of the aforementioned swaps suitable for turbo, higher revving or any other types of forced induction, expect to spend 5 grand just for that. High 11s wouldn't be impossible, but by then, you could have already had a low 11 second C4, had you invested it in a C4.

There is no replacement for displacement!!! Forced induction can substitute for it but there is always a chance something could pop...

 

What if your elitist about not being elitist?

 

well im young and I see alot of kids my age (20) driving honda's with an exhaust and intakes rarely turbos but they are out there, well anywase and they run around like there arent any other cars out there that can run em. i drive a 94 vette and they pull up to me all day and night but i dont do anything cause its a waste of time. I know other cars can beat us all day but for me at the end of the night Id rather close the garage with a corvette inside rather than a "ricer" even if its not faster or whatever, i love the sound of that mean V8. I HATE pop can exhausts on those cars. plus most of their exhaust they buy are like 45 dollars from autozone. LOL, unless the put money into a real one. still. IM not a cocky vette driver.but i LOVE it.

 

'Fraid you be right, Hot.

Corvettes are just cars, after all....and all cars, Corvettes, Subarus, Studebakers, or Gremlins, reach a minimum value, then slowly start to increase in value.

Vette sure are NICE cars, though.......

Larry
code5coupe

 

Good for you, Dereck. More young Corvette drivers should be like you, and I think....hey, wait a minute .......



Larry
code5coupe

 

well im glad u check up on me like someones dad but everyone no matter what they say will drive their vette hard everyonce in a while. but overall i dont. because i dont have the money to REPAIR things. I mean ive had mine for 7 months. i might have maybeeee...4 times punched it reall hard. but i like to cruise mostly.