First Intake Install?
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St. Jude Donor '06-'07
First Intake Install?
I was wondering if anyone had installed their new FIRST intake from the group buy.
I have a few questions about the install.
Thanks, Randy
I have a few questions about the install.
Thanks, Randy
Racer
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From: Roseburg OR
In the same FIRST boat
My FIRST question is what fuel pressure regulator to use? Was thinking this might work http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/store...56927_-1_10323
Pro
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That regulator looks like it would work just fine. I want to get a good look at the layout of the manifold and fuel rails to see what kind of space I have before I start shopping regulators. I am considering a remote mount for the regulator if I can find a suitable place to put it.
I got an e-mail from Ken on New Years Day that they were working on my manifold. I hope to get it sometime next week.
I got an e-mail from Ken on New Years Day that they were working on my manifold. I hope to get it sometime next week.
Racer
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From: Roseburg OR
compiling info
Was just going to put some info here for reference later, big thank you to Bad SS
Great info from a BADSS in this discussion
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1868398
The FIRST Fuel Injection website
http://www.firstfuelinjection.com/
1982 install http://ncarboni.home.att.net/NCtpi.html
Great info from a BADSS in this discussion
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1868398
The FIRST Fuel Injection website
http://www.firstfuelinjection.com/
1982 install http://ncarboni.home.att.net/NCtpi.html
Some disussion on porting at Third Gen
http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/al...n-runners.html
Pic from this post http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/tp...t=#post3541395
http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/al...n-runners.html
Pic from this post http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/tp...t=#post3541395
cold-start - you'll need a new chip. Depending on your mods, you may be able to use a stock 89 chip since they don't have the cold-start injector.
Regulator - as said earlier you need an external one that'll go on the outlet side of the fuel rail - not sure on the fittings you'll need on a vette.
"short name" - if it's not the EGR (exhaust gas recirculation) valve,,, maybe you're talking about the TPS (throttle position sensor)?? You can use the original with the bracket that I believe is supplied with the FIRST purchase.
If you're talking about the IAC (idle air control) valve, the original screws right into the FIRST T/B.
If you're talking about the IAT (inlet/intake air temp),,, or MAT (manifold air temp) sensor,, on the 3rd gen f-body,,, they screw into the bottom of the stock TPI plenum. There is no provision for this in the FIRST's plenum. I spliced the wires and did a relocation mod to the air filter box - which a lot of folks do anyway on the stock TPI - Very easy to do. Some applications have this sensor in the air boxes from the factory,,, not sure about the Vette.
Regulator - as said earlier you need an external one that'll go on the outlet side of the fuel rail - not sure on the fittings you'll need on a vette.
"short name" - if it's not the EGR (exhaust gas recirculation) valve,,, maybe you're talking about the TPS (throttle position sensor)?? You can use the original with the bracket that I believe is supplied with the FIRST purchase.
If you're talking about the IAC (idle air control) valve, the original screws right into the FIRST T/B.
If you're talking about the IAT (inlet/intake air temp),,, or MAT (manifold air temp) sensor,, on the 3rd gen f-body,,, they screw into the bottom of the stock TPI plenum. There is no provision for this in the FIRST's plenum. I spliced the wires and did a relocation mod to the air filter box - which a lot of folks do anyway on the stock TPI - Very easy to do. Some applications have this sensor in the air boxes from the factory,,, not sure about the Vette.
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St. Jude Donor '05
That looks like a kickazz system, cant wait to see how cars are running with them. As far as a TPI goes, dont see how it could get better than that. Look at those runners 
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Holley really screwed everyone on the HSR. Obviously only concerned with the fbody market or something. Or maybe they just think most corvette owners won't hack up the car and want to keep original.
-- Joe
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I heard my kit is going to be shipped this week. I took it with paint and functional EGR + some other bits.
I was thinking of this one: http://tinyurl.com/287asc but I guess the one posted above will work equally well. Maybe even better if its a compact design as there is not too much space.
Modding it to fit under C4 hood is a recent development. Before you needed a high rise hood.
I was thinking of this one: http://tinyurl.com/287asc but I guess the one posted above will work equally well. Maybe even better if its a compact design as there is not too much space.
With this intake being so good, You would think that 1 or 2 C4 owners over the last 10 years would of installed one.
Last edited by ToniH; Jan 10, 2008 at 05:34 PM.
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true but it would fit just fine under the hood of most f-bodies and havn't ever really seen on on an f car that I can remember.. I think the main reason is how much they origionally wanted for the damn thing..
Melting Slicks
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Another reason probably is the small size of the manufacturer and little funds to market it. Holley and Accell took the market with big bucks and TPIS the rest with good marketing. Now that LPE and Accell have dropped SR there is new possibilities for FIRST but still they have the same problem: they need marketing to gain market = expensive.
I've never heard anything negative about the First and BadSS's extensive testing convinced me. Also, its the only smog legal (mandatory in my area) kit on the market which competes nicely in performance with HSR and as a bonus: without cutting my hood.
Last edited by ToniH; Jan 10, 2008 at 05:38 PM. Reason: misspelled BadSS's name
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I don't even understand how they sell them to anyone. Even 'hot rodders' only use TPI setups for looks, and they're not going to go out and spend money on this. I guess if your not gonna run a different cam, and you've got money to blow its a good intake..
Holley really screwed everyone on the HSR. Obviously only concerned with the fbody market or something. Or maybe they just think most corvette owners won't hack up the car and want to keep original.
-- Joe
Holley really screwed everyone on the HSR. Obviously only concerned with the fbody market or something. Or maybe they just think most corvette owners won't hack up the car and want to keep original.
-- Joe
Safety Car
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From: Salem NH
He must be confusing First to LTR's or something else? His statement doesn't make any sense any other way.
But for other readers a quick summary to avoid confusion:
First
- smog legal
- competes in performance with HSR (according to BadSS's tests)
- fits under stock hood
- accepts stock electronics
- $995 (includes throttlebody, fuel rails etc.)
- $140 for AFPR
HSR
- not smog legal
- doesn't fit under stock hood
- something like $500 i believe? + AFPR (?)
- high rise hood $1399 (Toledo, maybe cheaper somewhere?)
- paint job $500
- total $1500-2500
- if you mod your hood yourself you can get cheaper, paintwork obviously costs few hundreds if done properly. Total cost probably very close to First.
But for other readers a quick summary to avoid confusion:
First
- smog legal
- competes in performance with HSR (according to BadSS's tests)
- fits under stock hood
- accepts stock electronics
- $995 (includes throttlebody, fuel rails etc.)
- $140 for AFPR
HSR
- not smog legal
- doesn't fit under stock hood
- something like $500 i believe? + AFPR (?)
- high rise hood $1399 (Toledo, maybe cheaper somewhere?)
- paint job $500
- total $1500-2500
- if you mod your hood yourself you can get cheaper, paintwork obviously costs few hundreds if done properly. Total cost probably very close to First.
Why would you spend your money on it? It still has what, 8.5" runners?
It doesn't compete with an HSR, unless your engine is a dog combo to begin with. Then again, most of *our* tests on TGO have found the HSR doesn't flow that great out of the box anyway, but then again if you like at folks like Mike Davis who have had exceptional results with ported HSR's what are we really comparing it to?
Thats why on my C4 I run a miniram, on my fbody's I ran singleplane EFI manifolds. One I build, then one from holley designed for the purpose.
-- Joe
Pe
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-- Joe
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Why?
. I have also researched the TGO board and have yet to find a bad comment about this intake from people who have hands on experience with it. BTW, I am currently running a superram. I'm willing to give the First intake a spin and see what it does. I don't see the need to trash this intake just because it's not what you personally would use. Back to the OP's question - any problems with FIRST intake install?
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