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Old May 26, 2011 | 09:52 AM
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While some engines like the spark plug's gap open to the intake valve, there are still other combinations that make more power with the gap pointed toward the exhaust valve. Has anyone experimented with this on the base 5.7L ? Details would be appreciated.
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Old May 26, 2011 | 09:10 PM
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While some engines like the spark plug's gap open to the intake valve, there are still other combinations that make more power with the gap pointed toward the exhaust valve. Has anyone experimented with this on the base 5.7L ? Details would be appreciated.
I don't think its worth the time & effort indexing spark plug electrodes on a stock C4.

Its usually done on Very High compression ratio racing engines to clear the Intake valve & Piston dome top.

Like 14.0 - 18.0 : 1 static compression ratios.

My old Pontiacs liked the spark plug electrode openings towards the intake valve.

Never picked up any noticeable HP increases.

But engine idled slightly better & throttle response was slightly better when I took the time to index those spark plugs in.

At WOT I never felt any power increases to speak of from the driver's seat.

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Old May 26, 2011 | 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 87 vette 81 big girl
I don't think its worth the time & effort indexing spark plug electrodes on a stock C4.

Its usually done on Very High compression ratio racing engines to clear the Intake valve & Piston dome top.

Like 14.0 - 18.0 : 1 static compression ratios.

My old Pontiacs liked the spark plug electrode openings towards the intake valve.

Never picked up any noticeable HP increases.

But engine idled slightly better & throttle response was slightly better when I took the time to index those spark plugs in.

At WOT I never felt any power increases to speak of from the driver's seat.

BR
Actually it's indexed to open the spark plug electrode to face the piston so that the flamefront travels faster and more evenly in the combustion chamber. IE, the flamefront doesn't have to travel around the spark plug and electrode to get through the whole combustion chamber.

Give it a try, the shims to index are cheap. Though I doubt you will pick up significant gains, you may see a couple of HP, and some improved efficiency.
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Old May 26, 2011 | 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Black89Z51
Actually it's indexed to open the spark plug electrode to face the piston so that the flamefront travels faster and more evenly in the combustion chamber. IE, the flamefront doesn't have to travel around the spark plug and electrode to get through the whole combustion chamber.

Give it a try, the shims to index are cheap. Though I doubt you will pick up significant gains, you may see a couple of HP, and some improved efficiency.
Talk to 10 different old time engine builders from the 1960's to present, you will get 10 different theories of how & where to index the the open gap on a "J" gap spark plug.

They relocated the spark plug hole on the 1970 Pontiac Ram Air IV - 4 cylinder head.
Clear shot at the Intake Valve.
Little know fact but what I have on my 70 TA.
Worked best igniting the fuel & air mix on that engine as I stated.

Save up for a camshaft, stoker crankshaft kit, better heads, Cylinder head porting & intake porting, long tube headers, NOS, Blower, Turbo(s), Better ignition system, ect.
You will see better gains in Power that will flatten your eyeballs from " 0 to 140 MPH).

Indexing spark plugs on a L98, LT-1, LT-4 may net you 1 or 2 HP.

Big Deal.

BR
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Old May 27, 2011 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 87 vette 81 big girl
Talk to 10 different old time engine builders from the 1960's to present, you will get 10 different theories of how & where to index the the open gap on a "J" gap spark plug.


BR
I agree with this comment. I always index my plugs on my 555 BBC towards the exhaust valve because I believe the E85 incoming fuel mixture can wet the plug too much and cause high RPM misfires if the open end is towards the intake port. I have no dyno data to support my assumption just my gut feeling.

In a stock car it may make a few HP difference but I doubt you will be able to tell a difference.
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Whenever this topic comes up there's always someone that sneers at making the engine work better which surprises me.

Here is what I do, use a marker and color a line on the plug that follows the ground strap. Install the plug with the line as close to up as you can. If the line is on the bottom, unscrew the plug and start the threads in a different place. Using slightly more/less torque can also help.
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Waste of time generally speaking unless its an all out thing and youre searching for the last 1hp out there. It wont hurt to do it but as said above if youre looking to do it and hope to feel something when you hop back in your car forget it. Youll feel better eating a good cheesburger instead
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A lot of trouble for minimal gain!
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Originally Posted by Aardwolf
If the line is on the bottom, unscrew the plug and start the threads in a different place.
What different place, threads have a start and finish.
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Moroso sells Spark plug indexing washers made of annealed copper.

They are made in the classic flat washer style & the GM "Peanut" taper seat style spark plugs.

I think its a complete waste of time to index sparkplugs on a bone stock C4 sbc engine.

You may pick up 2,000+ HP and even scare John Force & Eddie Hill.

Let us all know your torque & HP gains after spending 2 or 3 hours.

Will take you longer than 15 minutes it takes me.

Your 1st time indexing spark plugs.

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Originally Posted by AGENT 86
What different place, threads have a start and finish.
Each plug has threads that start in different places, so if one is completely off try a different plug. This method doesn't take long at all but my plugs are easy to get to, not like stock.
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Originally Posted by Aardwolf
Each plug has threads that start in different places, so if one is completely off try a different plug. This method doesn't take long at all but my plugs are easy to get to, not like stock.
Ah, try a different plug. That makes more sense.
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You are wasting your time...
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Originally Posted by ddahlgren
You are wasting your time...
Yes.

Few have seen & touched with their own 2 hands as many of performance & racing engines as you Dave.
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