Crossfire brainfart. Could it work?
Drifting
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St. Jude Donor '10
I presume you both are talking about WEIAND. Not sure where the L came from! X Ram seems like a straightforward cheap option though is not a true crossram design. It would probably work OK with heads and cam swap too. It worked OK for my legendary compatriot in Queensland Ben (now running a renegade I think) who holds the world record ET for a crossfire.
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Pro
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If I had it to do over again and I may do so in next couple of years is utilize a port fuel manifold(pro products/victor jr) edel elbow and a LS TB. Port fuel EBL to handle management. TBI is sensitive to inlet temps and intake temps. Especially since I have no crossover in head. I think the engine would run more consistent with port fuel. Less restrictive on CFM as well. I have a restriction in air flow in my setup per my datalogs that i may not be able to resolve without boring the Tb unit(GM7.4L).
Drifting
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St. Jude Donor '10
If I had it to do over again and I may do so in next couple of years is utilize a port fuel manifold(pro products/victor jr) edel elbow and a LS TB. Port fuel EBL to handle management. TBI is sensitive to inlet temps and intake temps. Especially since I have no crossover in head. I think the engine would run more consistent with port fuel. Less restrictive on CFM as well. I have a restriction in air flow in my setup per my datalogs that i may not be able to resolve without boring the Tb unit(GM7.4L).
Drifting
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St. Jude Donor '10
Steve,
There has been 2 of those Renegade Intakes for sale in C4 parts in the last 1 week.
I don't know if you caught that or not.
Around $450 or $600.
1 of those Renegade Intakes for sale was In Wheeling, IL.
Also,
another C4 forum member that is on C4 ZR-1 that races his "Z" spoke up on that C4 parts - Renegade for sale.............
Brian
There has been 2 of those Renegade Intakes for sale in C4 parts in the last 1 week.
I don't know if you caught that or not.
Around $450 or $600.
1 of those Renegade Intakes for sale was In Wheeling, IL.
Also,
another C4 forum member that is on C4 ZR-1 that races his "Z" spoke up on that C4 parts - Renegade for sale.............
Brian
Drifting
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St. Jude Donor '10
It wasn't me. It was the guys on this forum. Thanks to all. Wish I could throw the money on the bar to thank you all.
I now also realise that there are a lot of options out there for the 84. My 84 build will probably end up like my 87. Buy an intake and end up pulling pistons.
I now also realise that there are a lot of options out there for the 84. My 84 build will probably end up like my 87. Buy an intake and end up pulling pistons.
Melting Slicks
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Another thing that aids in hood clearence (when using a carb. type intake) is the way the carb. mount angles down alittle. The holley 300-49 has this.
What I did was mount the tbi without the injector pod, placed clay on it, then closed the hood. I found that I had around a 1/2" of clearence around where the wing nut would be. The lid of my air filter is a MM or so above the inj. pod. I used a torx headed screw (instead of a wingnut & stud) to hold it down, so it might help if you have a buddy that has a welder to help make small parts.
And you don't have use the holley intake, you can use a 4bbl. intake & a tbi adapter. This might help keep the price down especially if you already have one collecting dust. I think the edelbrock perfomer might give you additional hood clearence. It certainy has a good price at around 100 bucks.
What I did was mount the tbi without the injector pod, placed clay on it, then closed the hood. I found that I had around a 1/2" of clearence around where the wing nut would be. The lid of my air filter is a MM or so above the inj. pod. I used a torx headed screw (instead of a wingnut & stud) to hold it down, so it might help if you have a buddy that has a welder to help make small parts.
And you don't have use the holley intake, you can use a 4bbl. intake & a tbi adapter. This might help keep the price down especially if you already have one collecting dust. I think the edelbrock perfomer might give you additional hood clearence. It certainy has a good price at around 100 bucks.
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Melting Slicks
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Another thing that aids in hood clearence (when using a carb. type intake) is the way the carb. mount angles down alittle. The holley 300-49 has this.
What I did was mount the tbi without the injector pod, placed clay on it, then closed the hood. I found that I had around a 1/2" of clearence around where the wing nut would be. The lid of my air filter is a MM or so above the inj. pod. I used a torx headed screw (instead of a wingnut & stud) to hold it down, so it might help if you have a buddy that has a welder to help make small parts.
And you don't have use the holley intake, you can use a 4bbl. intake & a tbi adapter. This might help keep the price down especially if you already have one collecting dust. I think the edelbrock perfomer might give you additional hood clearence. It certainy has a good price at around 100 bucks.
What I did was mount the tbi without the injector pod, placed clay on it, then closed the hood. I found that I had around a 1/2" of clearence around where the wing nut would be. The lid of my air filter is a MM or so above the inj. pod. I used a torx headed screw (instead of a wingnut & stud) to hold it down, so it might help if you have a buddy that has a welder to help make small parts.
And you don't have use the holley intake, you can use a 4bbl. intake & a tbi adapter. This might help keep the price down especially if you already have one collecting dust. I think the edelbrock perfomer might give you additional hood clearence. It certainy has a good price at around 100 bucks.
I ask because I have posted a lot of pics of the measurments, and have all posted pics of the inside of the compartment with the hood down. The area I think that doesn't clear would be the front portion of the air cleaner.
Drifting
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St. Jude Donor '10
It would be nice to have the car in showroom condition though.
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Melting Slicks
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Be the best bang for your $$ spent.
Easiest & most reliable way to achieve 500+ flywheel HP & torque sky high too.
Or go all out & install a built Big Block Chevy.
Not many 1984 C4's around with a BBC & street & track driven that I have seen since I joined C4 back in 2008.
Drifting
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St. Jude Donor '10
Build a Stoker SBC then Steve.
Be the best bang for your $$ spent.
Easiest & most reliable way to achieve 500+ flywheel HP & torque sky high too.
Or go all out & install a built Big Block Chevy.
Not many 1984 C4's around with a BBC & street & track driven that I have seen since I joined C4 back in 2008.
Be the best bang for your $$ spent.
Easiest & most reliable way to achieve 500+ flywheel HP & torque sky high too.
Or go all out & install a built Big Block Chevy.
Not many 1984 C4's around with a BBC & street & track driven that I have seen since I joined C4 back in 2008.
TECHNICAL SPECS
Engine Block: Motown II cast iron
Deck Height: 9.025”
Bore/Stroke: 4.250” x 4.000”
Main Caps: 4-bolt nodular splayed
Cylinder Heads: Motown 235cc aluminum
Valves: Manley stainless steel
Intake Manifold: Motown
Carburetor: AED (custom spec)
Distributor: MSD E-Curve
Timing Chain: Double roller
Crankshaft: 4340 Eagle/Scat internally balanced
Connecting Rods: 4340 Eagle/Scat
Pistons: Manley/Mahle
Gaskets: Felpro
Internal Hardware: ARP
Oil Pan: Moroso
Firing Order: 18436572
Compression Ratio 10.5:1
Probably have hood clearance issues though. Have to put a scoop on.
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Melting Slicks
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600hp Stroker sbc carb crate motor. 454 sbc I have seen over here in Perth Australia for instant 10 sec car.
TECHNICAL SPECS
Engine Block: Motown II cast iron
Deck Height: 9.025”
Bore/Stroke: 4.250” x 4.000”
Main Caps: 4-bolt nodular splayed
Cylinder Heads: Motown 235cc aluminum
Valves: Manley stainless steel
Intake Manifold: Motown
Carburetor: AED (custom spec)
Distributor: MSD E-Curve
Timing Chain: Double roller
Crankshaft: 4340 Eagle/Scat internally balanced
Connecting Rods: 4340 Eagle/Scat
Pistons: Manley/Mahle
Gaskets: Felpro
Internal Hardware: ARP
Oil Pan: Moroso
Firing Order: 18436572
Compression Ratio 10.5:1
Probably have hood clearance issues though. Have to put a scoop on.
TECHNICAL SPECS
Engine Block: Motown II cast iron
Deck Height: 9.025”
Bore/Stroke: 4.250” x 4.000”
Main Caps: 4-bolt nodular splayed
Cylinder Heads: Motown 235cc aluminum
Valves: Manley stainless steel
Intake Manifold: Motown
Carburetor: AED (custom spec)
Distributor: MSD E-Curve
Timing Chain: Double roller
Crankshaft: 4340 Eagle/Scat internally balanced
Connecting Rods: 4340 Eagle/Scat
Pistons: Manley/Mahle
Gaskets: Felpro
Internal Hardware: ARP
Oil Pan: Moroso
Firing Order: 18436572
Compression Ratio 10.5:1
Probably have hood clearance issues though. Have to put a scoop on.
Glad you received your $$ money back finally.
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Brian
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What was the problem anyway? Have they quit making renegades? If it were me I would have casted 5000 of them.
Racer
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What do you mean DCS is broke? How much does it cost to pour an intake manifold? Not including the R&D and creating the forms. All that is done. I just want to know the cost of pouring and machining.
Pro
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4bbl. intake & a tbi adapter
I just want to know the cost of pouring and machining.
My prior XRam WeiandAccellerator manifold was machined at the carb flange about .30-.40 inches. I planned on using that manifold since I already had it mounted to engine but sold it to recover some $$$$. I measured it with the .50 inch adapter(Howell) and then the GM7.4LTB and found I had plenty clearance for a traditional 3.00 inch flat base AC. That manifold is not to costly and could be machined down. I went with Holley TBI manifold with a carb/blower bonnet and that gained necessary clearance with Projection since it stands taller.
lesson learned is I should have gone port fuel but that was B4 EBL port fuel ECM.
I would lose the TBI.
Last edited by Rohn; Aug 23, 2011 at 04:47 PM.
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I just stumbled across this thread. I haven't been on this forum in a while.
The x-ram works okay after warm up. I ran 12.48 - 12.52 ET's with one. It's not so good in cold climates as Rohn will testify.
The Renegade works better everywhere. I've only run it once, but went 12.2's without much effort or tuning.
Lemme, I still have the x-ram here if you want one? At least I'm on the same continent
The x-ram works okay after warm up. I ran 12.48 - 12.52 ET's with one. It's not so good in cold climates as Rohn will testify.
The Renegade works better everywhere. I've only run it once, but went 12.2's without much effort or tuning.
Lemme, I still have the x-ram here if you want one? At least I'm on the same continent