1991 Poor Gas Mileage after Injector Swap
#61
Instructor
Thread Starter
What did your friend say about fluctuating FP? The one time I checked mine, I thought it was rock steady. It was a hair lower than I expected (at 34 PSI) but I don't remember much/any movement on the gauge when I tapped the throttle.
Forum? Forum? Bueller? Bueller?
If fluctuation isn't normal, I could see the ECM constantly struggling to find stoich. And, in doing so, err on the side of rich vs lean (to avoid catastrophe).
Also, there was one guy (who participated in the last B3 issue) claiming to be a dyno tuner. Member "dynocar" IIRC. Seemed he claimed that low fuel pressure would cause a rich condition. When I publicly and personally asked him to explain, he never returned with the details.
I've pushed as hard as anyone -- to get to the bottom of the issue(s) but people seldom follow-thru with progress/posting.
Keep up the good work!
Forum? Forum? Bueller? Bueller?
If fluctuation isn't normal, I could see the ECM constantly struggling to find stoich. And, in doing so, err on the side of rich vs lean (to avoid catastrophe).
Also, there was one guy (who participated in the last B3 issue) claiming to be a dyno tuner. Member "dynocar" IIRC. Seemed he claimed that low fuel pressure would cause a rich condition. When I publicly and personally asked him to explain, he never returned with the details.
I've pushed as hard as anyone -- to get to the bottom of the issue(s) but people seldom follow-thru with progress/posting.
Keep up the good work!
I am going to look into replacing the Fuel Pump to see what that does. I have a $50 discount to use at Adv. Auto Parts, and since the Bosch Fuel pump only costs $87 it's like I got it for $37 bucks. Not bad, and from what I've read, the fuel pump is not difficult to replace on my car. Got any tips on that? Might do it over the weekend.
#63
Burning Brakes
Jon is sending me new bosch injectors. I asked about the fuel mileage issue and he said it was resolved. They should be in the car but early next week, and I'll report back then.
(my car is currently not running due to 6 bad injectors)
(my car is currently not running due to 6 bad injectors)
#64
Race Director
My friend told me that he's seen this sort of behavior before where the Fuel pressure will look okay at just "System On" but when it tries to keep up with the demands of the engine Under load, it will not not be able to keep up and you end up with lower fuel pressure than required.
I am going to look into replacing the Fuel Pump to see what that does. I have a $50 discount to use at Adv. Auto Parts, and since the Bosch Fuel pump only costs $87 it's like I got it for $37 bucks. Not bad, and from what I've read, the fuel pump is not difficult to replace on my car. Got any tips on that? Might do it over the weekend.
I am going to look into replacing the Fuel Pump to see what that does. I have a $50 discount to use at Adv. Auto Parts, and since the Bosch Fuel pump only costs $87 it's like I got it for $37 bucks. Not bad, and from what I've read, the fuel pump is not difficult to replace on my car. Got any tips on that? Might do it over the weekend.
Mine has that problem. If much below 1/3rd of a tank, it will cutout during a hard WOT pull. I'll usually get to around 4k rpms and cough, cough, cough.
Measured it with scans. Filled it with gas and the problem goes away. Needless to say, I keep the tank on the top half now.
#66
Instructor
Thread Starter
(Side Note: I liked their pump/kit because i was able to clip the new wiring harnes to the end of my old one and then to the pump. No wire cutting/disconnecting/splicing)
Performance seems to be improved under load. So I may have been starving the engine for gas upon hard accelleration.
Once or twice it did seem to hesitate when I hit the gas hard, but it was kinda' cold outside... apx. 40F
As to the gas mileage, I was able to watch the "on dash" calculator and it looks to have improved by a few mpg. while driving on the highway it is hovering right about 20mpg.
Recap: At this point, Fuel Pump Pump, Strainer, In-Line Filter, Fuel Pressure Regulator Diaphram, Fuel Raill O-Rings, and injectors have all been changed in the fuel path.
I will fill it up this week, and drive it for a while to get my "Hand Calculated" average gas mileage.
After that I will report the results.
Last edited by Fredbird; 02-11-2012 at 07:01 AM.
#67
Race Director
Best way to measure...
1) reset ECM (battery)
2) drive for at least 1 day (to get ECM "re-adjusted")
3) fill up
4) drive
5) fill up and calculate
#68
Instructor
Thread Starter
If you haven't done so already, disconnect the battery for at least 1 minute. That resets trims and gets you to the new MPG as soon as possible.
Best way to measure...
1) reset ECM (battery)
2) drive for at least 1 day (to get ECM "re-adjusted")
3) fill up
4) drive
5) fill up and calculate
Best way to measure...
1) reset ECM (battery)
2) drive for at least 1 day (to get ECM "re-adjusted")
3) fill up
4) drive
5) fill up and calculate
#69
Race Director
Make the test meaningful.