Lol ... I didn't know phoenix was back already.

Pheonix go and apply your trolling talents to people that deserve it. You should be able to troll anyone with equal efficacy, and not just certain people.

 

Good God... Is this stupid pipe dream still a fantasy in this guys head?

Here is what you need to do Penix:

1.If you keep your F Body--- why not simply adjust your driving habits for better fuel economy along with keeping it properly tuned and maintained?

2. If you keep your F Body, and want to drive it in the winter, why not add some snow tires to the rear wheels?

3. If you keep your F Body and for some reason don't to the logical things I just mentioned, then why not park the F Body and buy an electric car perhaps....? then you have your torque and fuel efficiency.

4. If you keep your F Body and still insist on using rearward technology, why not buy an L98 to drop into your F Body?

5. If you keep your F Body and STILL insist on rearward technology, then why not locate an Iron Duke and drop it in along with a 3 speed manual transmission? Then you have the ultimate in fuel efficiency and good torque below 5000 rpm for sure.

6. If you keep your F Body, why not listen to and take the advice of the very knowledgeable people here whom have told you how to go about maximizing fuel economy and torque by PROPERLY modifying the LT-1 thats already in your F Body. Its very simple actually.... Cam choice, fitted with flow matched heads, intake and exhaust
, along with a nicely matched rear end gear set and adjusting your driving habits should get you there.

7. If you keep your F Body, do an LS swap... FORWARD technology will also get you what youre looking for. Take for an example the LS6. 405 hp and 405 Lb/Ft of torque.... very usable torque on the street I might add....

8. Dont keep your F Body, and buy a Tesla!

Why keep trying to convince all of us that your idea of de-tuning an LT-1 with an L-98 intake is the best idea when its really the dumbest choice of the hundreds of logical and practical choices you can really make?

You keep talking about "soul searching"..... youre not going to find the answer in your soul bro! Its all been written down in the ridiculous threads you start.... the advice you keep shooing away IS THE answer to your fuel efficiency, low end torque equation. What you want to do has been done a million times by smarter people with a WHOLE BUNCH more money.

Ask yourself one question: If your idea was so great, so practical, so ground breaking and trend setting, dont you think someone, someplace at some point would have already tried it?

Maybe something similar was tried.... guess what... it failed, cause if it didnt, it would be used in the impractical way you keep trying to conceive. Its rearward technology.... backwards, retarded... do you understand that at all??

The answer to this is called "electricity".... thats whats been tried and actually works for torque and fuel efficiency. PERIOD!!! Not some kind of chopped up pile of junk engine in a pile of junk F Body or Corvette for that matter. Get over it man, its not practical, its not reasonable to expect the results you think youre going to achieve.... THATS whay everyone keeps telling you to buy a Prius... It answers all of your questions and gives you what youre looking for!!!!

 

For the most part, all these internet forums are the same. Someone makes a non factual claim and when called on it, are unable to supply factual data. You can ask for backup documentation until you run out of bandwidth and it isn't going to happen. Just more unsubstantiated claims. No matter how much science, data, mathematics etc. you try and put forth, it is totally ignored because some "aint gonna pay attention to any of that book learnin' garbage". It is kind of like arguing with your wife. She makes a dumb statement and when you make the mistake of calling her on it, it just results in a shitshow of ridiculous denial of facts. Rational doesn't apply and you finally realize that she would far rather lie on a bed of hot coals and have her curlies plucked out one at a time with a defective tweezers than to admit she is wrong. At that point, you smile to yourself, shake your head and walk away. Phoenix here, seems to fit this mold.

 

What factual information has been presented as of late? Insults do not constitute factual information. Pushing performance modifications outside the build specs I have in mind do not answer my question. Ridiculing components I wish to put on my second-generation LT1 does not count for factual information. With all of your bluster, how does your comment remotely provide me with suggestions on what to do for my build and what not to do? It does NOTHING. So, thank you for the pointless comment!

 

How the hell does any of this crap help me with the build I have in mind for my LT1? Good God, you guys are not helpful. I am sorely mistaken that the Corvette forum has knowledgeable people on the LT1 and SBC TPI motors!

 

What you're saying is that you've already decided how you want to build your engine/drivetrain and nobody is going to tell you anything that will change your mind. Then you ask for information about that same topic...but you've already told us that nothing we tell you is going to change your mind. Do you honestly not understand how dishonest your request for facts is?

We've told you that your ideas are bad ones based on facts. We've gone through pages and pages in several threads with you, trying to educate you with facts about why the parts you are choosing won't accomplish what you think they will accomplish, and why your goals are wrong in the first place (e.g., they are predicated on provably false beliefs, such as "I can't use anything above 5000rpm on the street" or "TPI is more efficient and will make my car faster on the street"). The ridicule is based on your refusal to acknowledge the avalanche of facts and info we have given you. Go back and re-read everything - the facts are there. If you continue to choose to ignore them, that's your problem and your fault.

 

I am going to try this again and I am going to be specific as I can for a guy who is not a career mechanic or engine builder!

I don't see the benefit in making my car faster, i.e. increasing horsepower, when I won't be able to use it for the 100% city and highway driving I do! I am not a weekend track guy and I don't do autocross. So, what then do I do with my motor to improve upon it to give me some additional seat-of-the-pants joy when launching from a green light or accelerating onto the expressway or needing to pass a car on the expressway in a hurry? The only thing that comes to my mind is the torque. What I am experiencing now is not enough for my liking, how do I improve upon it?

The next aspect of my build, fuel economy. I don't want to modify my motor and drivetrain only to have to sacrifice fuel economy, especially city mileage, for more horsepower. I am not going swap out my stock gear ratio for a lower gear ratio to have me jumping to a higher RPM band, faster. So, lower and mid-range torque comes to my mind for this criteria. So, I have to use a very small camshaft, preferably GM stock, to satisfy this criteria. So, how do I achieve the build results that I am looking for?

This is why I am looking into the long declared "obsolete" TPI intake with a torquey stock camshaft for my build. I can't use an LS intake on my LT1 heads, and I am not optimizing my motor for the powerband I am going to be using by retaining my stock GM copy of the TPIS miniram intake. So, what do you guys recommend for this criteria I have set for my build?

 

For the amount of work it would be, just buy a damn tpi car and be done with it.

 

Lol ...

 

I offered this in a prior thread. If you send me your lt1 intake I will ship you the tpi intake from a 1990 corvette with matching tiny cam to test your idea.

Prove all of us wrong with your amazing improvements please.

you get nothing but ridicule now because every time someone, like my self in your other thread, tries to offer help you dismiss us and put us down.

my offer for a parts swap still stands and I'll now add in the cam too.

 

Perhaps, but I have maintained the body of my car through these hard winters and salt covered roads. I have maintained her motor and invested a lot to have it running reliably. I don't want to start over with a different car from a seller who may have abused the holy hell out of it and not maintained the car and is giving me something that is a rust bucket patched up to look pretty.

Think of it like this, it would cost MORE to have a shop throw in a 2014 LT1 or 2015 LT4 Supercharged motor which uses electronic throttle, requires a different and expensive ECM which also needs to be wired to my factory gauge cluster to work right and trip the check engine light for any problems, and to purchase the 6-speed transmission and a new rear axle for all the power this motor produces! The time required to get this all working right will be expensive compared to what I have planned for my LT1 block to reduce internal friction using modern coatings that they put on all the newer cars to assist in better fuel economy and increase overall power by a small amount.

 

If I ship you my intake, I no longer have a car to drive me to school. When I receive your TPI intake, I need to screw around to get it to work on my LT1. Dude, I am glad you think I am royally retarded! Many people do, but they thought the same thing about Einstein in elementary school with his poor grades and inability to concentrate!

I appreciate your help with your parts suggestions, all of you guys!

 

Need I say anything more?

Hoss, if you don't want reliable information from these guys that know what they're talking about, stop asking! You are ASKING to be ridiculed - one of your complaints.

(me smiling--------------->)

 

I'm going to try tis once again, too.

Well, again, you are wrong that you have some arbitrary rpm limit just because you only drive your car on the street. I'm not going to argue this with you - you're just wrong about this, and it continues to be a big reason that everything that follows from you is dumb.

The "seat-of-the-pants joy" you seek comes from making your car faster. It really is that simple. A properly running LT1 should already be able to break the tires loose in 1st gear, so your acceleration from a stop or slow roll is currently traction-limited, not power-limited. If that's not the case, your car is still broken (see below). If it is the case, then moving the powerband lower in rpm (which is what you erroneously call "torque") won't help, because you'll still be breaking the tires loose. Learn to drive and use your cars power band before you try to plan a bunch of mods.

You have based all your ideas on the performance of your car, but it turns out your car has been broken all this time. I strongly suspect your car is still a hot mess and isn't running correctly. But you need to drive some LT1 and LT4 cars in good repair before you form impressions of what weaknesses need to be addressed with major modifications.

You don't understand "torque" or "power." If you think building a tractor motor with no power and a very low-end-focused torque peak will help you on a freeway ramp or in a passing situation, you are simply too ignorant to be discussion all this. I've said this before, and this is 100% fact: the single parameter that determines how fast your car accelerates at any given moment is the amount of power it is putting to the ground. Period. Torque at the crankshaft has dick-all to do with it, and it meaningless in determining a car's performance. If merging and passing performance or any form of acceleration are goals for you, then you must focus on increasing power delivery, not some stupid torque number. "Power delivery" refers both to the power the engine can produce and the drivetrain's ability to let the engine produce it. Using my car as an example again, according you it's all wrong. But my only challenge in passing cars is keeping the rear wheels from breaking loose.

Power delivery means you need the proper gear ratios and transmission to allow the engine to operate around it's peak power (when you want to accelerate hard, anyway). If you are willing to spend thousands of dollars to build an engine, but not willing to pick a proper axle ratio or downshift, then you are simply stupid. I don't know what else to tell you.

Again, building an engine with a TPI intake and a teeny camshaft is not going to improve the economy you are already seeing. That said, your car is broken and probably getting far worse economy than it is capable of. Repair it, then come back and we can talk.

"Torque", in the way you mean it, doesn't equal fuel economy, though. Any cam with minimal overlap will give you good around-town fuel economy. But that doesn't restrict you to a truck cam. And adding a mild supercharging effect by using very long intake runners not only won't improve your fuel economy, but will hurt it. You need to re-read my early replies to you about that. I'm not going to re-type all of it now. If you don't understand these things, then you don't understand basic engine operation. It's a very common misconception, but all you have to do is look at the EPA ratings for stock TPI engines to understand that they were inefficient. Again, I've owned one, and it was terrible on fuel economy. It was worse at highway fuel mileage than my current Corvette engine that you think is so race-only/radical, and it was slow as ****.

Again, the powerband you think you need to limit yourself to is wrong. You've placed an arbitrary limitation on yourself that has no basis in fact. The best street engine isn't a tractor motor like you seem to think. The best street engine has the widest powerband, to make gear selection less critical and make it as flexible as possible. You are doing the opposite: trying to reduce the width of your engine's powerband, thereby making it less flexible and require more gear rowing. Ever noticed that big trucks (semis) - which have lots of "torque" at super-low rpms - also require many, many gears to be useful? Like 13 or more gears. Ever notice that truck drivers are always shifting in city driving to keep their engines in the powerband as they accelerate, and always have to hunt for lower gears when they slow down? That's a more extreme example of where you are heading with your plans.

OTOH, my "super-radical race-only" engine can cover 5mp-79mph in 2nd gear only. Think about that: I can go from barely rolling to fully merged onto a 70mph interstate highway without ever shifting a gear if I want, and it will happen very quickly. That's a good street engine. Again, you are simply wrong about the powerband you think you can use on the street. Until you figure this out, we can't help you.

 

You see, I haven't been receiving any reliable information from these guys. Buy a TPI car? Swap intakes? These guys don't know what they are talking about because they can't answer my question, neither can you with your non-helpful comments!

So, ridicule away! I will find someone who can give me an honest answer about the build criteria I have. It won't be from Corvette Forum with the clowns I am dealing with. Way to represent your community!

 

You mean the motor that's been broken for who-knows-how-long and has no low-end power because the O2 sensor wasn't screwed in all the way? That's your idea of maintenance?

 

Oh, so you're leaving now? We won't have to deal with you shitting up these forums anymore? That would be great! Thanks for the belated Christmas present.

 

Pretty much verifies he has a screw loose

 

Your comments are what foul up this forum, not people like me who have technical questions about motors and how certain modifications may work on those motors.

 

Nowhere in my reply did I address you as being mentally inept or handicapped. My statement was that I WANT you to to achieve your goals and prove to us that we are wrong the same way any one with an "out in left field" idea has to. For you to do this there will be down time for your car that is not a question and if you want my intake but to keep using your car buy one off ebay. the LT1 intake is A LOT cheaper than an L98 intake assembly by about $200 bucks. You really need to stop looking at every post like we think you are stupid. The idea lacks backing and is fundamentally flawed but having an idea alone will not define your intelligence. Parading it around with a closed mind and crying out every time some one offers a new idea contrary to yours makes you a fool.

And Einstein had a very short attention span when bored, he was not unwilling to listen or learn. What he displayed is now usually diagnosed as ADD. Very common in the gifted at a young age.