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I was told (by a reputable fellow forum member) that the 96 (and maybe the 95) cars already had a spring with close, if not the same pressure, i.e performance. Can anyone confirm?
So you're right, you probably won't notice any real decrease in braking distance unless you're in an all out panic stop, but in that event it will help dramatically. If the front wheels are still locking up, the rears will have significantly more force applied to them.
Your front brakes aren't going to lock-up with ABS and your rear brakes won't ABS pluse untill they lock-up.
Nathan, I trust you, do a real test and put this subject to bed.
I was told (by a reputable fellow forum member) that the 96 (and maybe the 95) cars already had a spring with close, if not the same pressure, i.e performance. Can anyone confirm?
I put it in my 96, ran a track that I had ran before. And I noticed that the front end did not dive as much as without the DRM spring. The car stays level during braking and seems more controllable.
I put it in my 96, ran a track that I had ran before. And I noticed that the front end did not dive as much as without the DRM spring. The car stays level during braking and seems more controllable.
I think it might have been your imagination.
Originally Posted by all4c4lt4
I was told (by a reputable fellow forum member) that the 96 (and maybe the 95) cars already had a spring with close, if not the same pressure, i.e performance. Can anyone confirm?
It's my understanding that GM did change the bias at the tail end of the C4 run.
I installed the DRM bias spring in my 95 and there was a definite physical difference between the two springs. Braking was changed as well as the front end as mentioned above didn't seem to dive as hard. But I am no expert on this as I don't race the car. But braking did seem improved in hard 75 to 0 MPH stops.
Originally Posted by all4c4lt4
I was told (by a reputable fellow forum member) that the 96 (and maybe the 95) cars already had a spring with close, if not the same pressure, i.e performance. Can anyone confirm?
It's my understanding that GM did change the bias at the tail end of the C4 run.
Close or not, it is not my imagination. You can see the nose of the car not dive in the video I had, compared to the year before adding the spring on the same track.
First I'll say that this mod was on my list to do with my brakes, and it is cheap. But I don't want to bother tearing the m/c apart if there is no real benefit. I can see how it will reduce nose dive, but what I am really after is a shorter stopping distance. Somehow I'm having a hard time picturing how my car will stop faster by taking brake pressure away from my 13" fronts and adding it to my 12" rears. I'll buy one if it improves braking. I just can't see it. However, to be the other devil's advocate, why would GM bother adding more rear brake bias to the later C4's if there wasn't some benefit? Maybe because of standard J55 brakes?
First I'll say that this mod was on my list to do with my brakes, and it is cheap. But I don't want to bother tearing the m/c apart if there is no real benefit. I can see how it will reduce nose dive, but what I am really after is a shorter stopping distance. Somehow I'm having a hard time picturing how my car will stop faster by taking brake pressure away from my 13" fronts and adding it to my 12" rears. I'll buy one if it improves braking. I just can't see it. However, to be the other devil's advocate, why would GM bother adding more rear brake bias to the later C4's if there wasn't some benefit? Maybe because of standard J55 brakes?
It logically can improve your braking, if my post makes sense you can see how that could happen. I'm gonna just make up numbers to try and make a better example.
Assume you hit your brakes in an all out panic stop, the front brakes start to lock up and the ABS has to kick in. Now lets just say it takes 10 PSI of pressure to lock up the front brakes, the rears have signfiicantly less pressure applied to them, let's say 3 PSI. This isn't enough to make them lock up, in fact, let's just say that it takes 5 PSI for them to lock up under these conditions.
Now change the brake bias more towards the rear and keep the conditions the same. It takes the same 10 psi of pressure to lock up the front brakes. However by the time you apply that 10 PSI of pressure to the front, lets say the spring makes it so you're applying 4 to the rear. The front brakes may still begin to lock up but the rears are applying more braking pressure, yet still not locking up. More braking pressure without locking up means you are slowing down faster, no questions asked.
Now this is an overly simplified example with overly simplified numbers but it should serve to illustrate the point.
OK, I guess I was just thinking about everyday stop-and-go driving. Not full lock-up. But full brake effort is how you would measure minimum stopping distance. Got it. Thanks.
Yeah everyday driving isn't really super critical. You're gonna press your brakes whatever amount you need to get you stopped where you want. It's the full out panic situations that the spring is intended to help, as well as keep more of the weight balance on the rear for better suspension setups headed into corners and such.
To let you know...the brake bias spring sold by Mid America is a DRM spring. If you have other parts to get from Mid America, buy from them, otherwise, I'd by from DRM (If I remember, the price is the same). Nathan has the spring I had ordered for my 93 that never got in it. It was bought from Mid America, since I had other parts to get and the price was about the same.
I just ordered the spring from DRM, as well as some s/s brake lines for my C5 calipers. I figured that since I'm adding more bite in the front, I might as well put more bias in the rear. Going with Hawk HPS pads.