mms
Melting Slicks
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From: Oceanside, Ca. Ca.
Re: mms (NYtoCA)
If i were to bring my car to Andy what exactly would he do? Would he replace the whole package or was there an exact area that Mike overlooked?
Frank
Frank
I do not honestly know.
The heads and valve train could be fine, but it is against the odds. Once you get into the car, many things surface. It is impossible to tell without ripping open the engine.
Plan on the worst, anything other than that is a plus.
Bruce
Pro
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From: Woodland Hills CA
Re: mms (NYtoCA)
Unfortunately I still am running MMS's H/C set up. I've broke 2 valve springs and two other tuners said they don't think it's a failure from the actual spring which makes me nervous. I bought some heavy duty springs from Andy and so far so good.
If i were to bring my car to Andy what exactly would he do? Would he replace the whole package or was there an exact area that Mike overlooked?
For some reason i think i know what all your answers will be.
Frank
If i were to bring my car to Andy what exactly would he do? Would he replace the whole package or was there an exact area that Mike overlooked?
For some reason i think i know what all your answers will be.
Frank
If it's any consolation to you, I have one of their later forged blocks and H/C and have had no problems whatsoever from that side of things. (I have about 5000 miles on that hardware) However,........ everything else they did has long since either broken or been replaced! :mad
[Modified by AWSM_06, 4:30 PM 5/18/2004]
Le Mans Master
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From: Clouds Over California
Re: mms (NYtoCA)
What you probably purchased from Andy was the Rev1116 with Ti/retainers. They are a great spring. Drive it until it breaks....if it doesn't break then don't worry about it. If it does break again..most like the geometry is wrong and that is why it is breaking valve springs...take it to Andy..he can have the heads inspected and they will determine what is going on. If those Rev1116 Springs break there is a definite problem with either the pushrod length or rockers. I have used the MMS229/229 Cam and it worked very well for me and I didn't break a spring ever.
Drifting
Joined: Feb 2002
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From: san diego ca
Re: mms (Shinobi'sZ)
What you probably purchased from Andy was the Rev1116 with Ti/retainers. They are a great spring. Drive it until it breaks....if it doesn't break then don't worry about it. If it does break again..most like the geometry is wrong and that is why it is breaking valve springs...take it to Andy..he can have the heads inspected and they will determine what is going on. If those Rev1116 Springs break there is a definite problem with either the pushrod length or rockers. I have used the MMS229/229 Cam and it worked very well for me and I didn't break a spring ever.
I think Kevin's assesment is right on ! The reason I was breaking Valve Springs like they were rubberbands was due to the incorrect Geometry.
Melting Slicks
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From: Oceanside, Ca. Ca.
Re: mms (BLUTHUNDER)
Well, Big Red is back.
The engine is noticably quieter now, I am very happy.
I don't hear that trade mark : MMS clankety clank any more.
All new rockers, new valves, with all the same height valve stems now!
I Removed the shims from the rocker arm rail,
The geometry should be right now.
I think I finally have the car I wanted 1 1/2 years ago.
Just a LS1 edit dyno tune, and then the engine should be at its top level of performance.
Bruce1
The engine is noticably quieter now, I am very happy.
I don't hear that trade mark : MMS clankety clank any more.
All new rockers, new valves, with all the same height valve stems now!
I Removed the shims from the rocker arm rail,
The geometry should be right now.
I think I finally have the car I wanted 1 1/2 years ago.
Just a LS1 edit dyno tune, and then the engine should be at its top level of performance.
Bruce1
Burning Brakes
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 1,116
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From: Simi Valley CA
Re: mms (bruce1)
Well, Big Red is back.
The engine is noticably quieter now, I am very happy.
I don't hear that trade mark : MMS clankety clank any more.
All new rockers, new valves, with all the same height valve stems now!
I Removed the shims from the rocker arm rail,
The geometry should be right now.
The engine is noticably quieter now, I am very happy.
I don't hear that trade mark : MMS clankety clank any more.
All new rockers, new valves, with all the same height valve stems now!
I Removed the shims from the rocker arm rail,
The geometry should be right now.
Congrads on getting it back together! I still need to get my C5 to the track too.
Melting Slicks
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,871
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From: Oceanside, Ca. Ca.
Re: mms (Terry Burger)
To adjust lifter preload you either need shims or different length pushrods. If you pulled the shims I hope you went with shorter pushrods to match. Did you replace your rockers with stock or aftermarket?
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Drifting
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 1,607
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From: San Francisco CA
Re: mms (Terry Burger)
When MMS did my H/C, shims and shorter pushrods were used which is why I think I ended up with a noisy valve train. I recently broke one of the REV 1116 springs that were installed by MMS and decided to upgrade the cam and go with Comp 'R' lifters as well as new REV 1116 springs. The car now sounds like a solid roller running about .020-.025 clearance so I got a push rod length checker and I am in the process of dialing in the rest of the valvetrain.
Well, Big Red is back.
The engine is noticably quieter now, I am very happy.
I don't hear that trade mark : MMS clankety clank any more.
All new rockers, new valves, with all the same height valve stems now!
I Removed the shims from the rocker arm rail,
The geometry should be right now.
To adjust lifter preload you either need shims or different length pushrods. If you pulled the shims I hope you went with shorter pushrods to match. Did you replace your rockers with stock or aftermarket?
Congrads on getting it back together! I still need to get my C5 to the track too.
The engine is noticably quieter now, I am very happy.
I don't hear that trade mark : MMS clankety clank any more.
All new rockers, new valves, with all the same height valve stems now!
I Removed the shims from the rocker arm rail,
The geometry should be right now.
To adjust lifter preload you either need shims or different length pushrods. If you pulled the shims I hope you went with shorter pushrods to match. Did you replace your rockers with stock or aftermarket?
Congrads on getting it back together! I still need to get my C5 to the track too.
Le Mans Master
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 5,786
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From: Lafayette Colorado
Re: mms (BLUTHUNDER)
I think I am one of the few people that actually got something good from MMS. I had Mike, yes actually Mike himself, build me a 383 stroker. I have now completely disassembled the motor for the 402 build. Durning the disassembly, I did check all the specs and everything was good. Mike even used quality parts through out the motor.
For the three years that I ran with the motor, I did not have a single problem. Plus the motor made 420 rwhp and 411 rwtq through an unlocked A4. Not too bad IMO. I guess I am posting this is because not everything from MMS was a complete failure.
Keith
[Modified by kromberg, 3:12 PM 5/21/2004]
For the three years that I ran with the motor, I did not have a single problem. Plus the motor made 420 rwhp and 411 rwtq through an unlocked A4. Not too bad IMO. I guess I am posting this is because not everything from MMS was a complete failure.
Keith
[Modified by kromberg, 3:12 PM 5/21/2004]
Melting Slicks
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From: Oceanside, Ca. Ca.
Re: mms (kromberg)
I think I am one of the few people that actually got something good from MMS. I had Mike, yes actually Mike himself, build me a 383 stroker. I have now complete disassembled the motor for the 402 build. Durning the disassembly, I did check all the specs and everything as good. Mike even used quality parts through the motor.
For the three years that I ran with the motor, I did not have a single problem. Plus the motor made 420 rwhp and 411 rwtq through an unlocked A4. Not too bad IMO. I guess I am posting this is because not everything from MMS was a complete failure.
Keith
For the three years that I ran with the motor, I did not have a single problem. Plus the motor made 420 rwhp and 411 rwtq through an unlocked A4. Not too bad IMO. I guess I am posting this is because not everything from MMS was a complete failure.
Keith
That is good to hear.
You are a lucky man.
Your car could have ended up here.....
Bruce1
[Modified by bruce1, 11:26 PM 5/21/2004]
Melting Slicks
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From: Oceanside, Ca. Ca.
Re: mms (kromberg)
I have now completely disassembled the motor for the 402 build.
Keith
Keith
BTW, who is building your new motor?
Sounds like you are.
Bruce
[Modified by bruce1, 11:32 PM 5/21/2004]
