I always had terrific performance with my MMS engines and parts, so you'll have a hard time convincing me otherwise. Like anything though I know everyone's experience may differ, and there are always two sides to every story.

It sounds to me like some people had serious problems with the service side of the shop, while other people are just overly melodramatic and were not prepared for the level of modification to their car they were purchasing (cough Bruce cough).

If I were to have been in charge of the shop the main problem that I think I would have addressed was consistency on the service side. When Mike was doing R&D/Sales and Derek was running the shop, there were very few problems. Once the new mechanics (especially Joe) started rolling in, that appears to be when most of these problems started, from my point of view.

In summary from a die hard enthusiasts point of view Morgan is a great guy to work with, and there is no one else I'd rather have tune my car. I think the service side just got a bit too big and wasn't properly supervised.

I'm always looking to buy parts for projects so if anyone is really throwing away these "junk" parts be sure to drop me an email.

 

Terry, you are partially correct my friend, I was definately unprepared for the level to which Morgan modified my car. He modified it to the level that most all his installed parts would need to be replaced and installed correctly to specification.

Quality was Nonexsistent.

Bruce

 

Bruce, quit rewriting history! You had heads/cam/basic juice done and was happy. Then you blew up your motor, and decided to have Morgan install forged pistons and a direct port manifold. On the dyno your stock block cracked under the juice, which Morgan replaced under warranty (as a favor to you, his good customer, as nitrous voids his engine warranty). He then tuned it to a safe level and off you went. Later you didn't like the way the wiring was routed or something and a fuel solenoid failed/got stuck open, so you redid the wiring and replaced the solenoid on your own. You're just completely melodramatic, and in my opinion in a world of your own.

Now that doesn't take away from the guy who said he paid for new rollers and didn't receive them, or the guy that spun a bearing in his new C5R engine block. Those are/were serious service issues IMHO.

 

Terry:

Your recollection of my MMS experience is amazing, and very selective I might add.
And yes, incorrect...........("again").



[Modified by bruce1, 3:13 PM 4/22/2004]

 

As misinformed as you are, I still admire your persistence.

Bruce1

 

Bruce, I truly feel sorry for you. You thought you just buy a $575 set of forged pistons, throw on a direct port 300 shot, and have a reliable low 10 second daily driver. If only it were that easy eh?

 

I can't give you the last word like this....
Don't get me going Terry, this is brinig up bad memories.
No, it is not easy, and that is why Morgan could never do it. Heck, the easy jobs were hard enough for him to do without messing up.

Pistons at $575? Heck, I wish that was all I had spent with him.
No, I let Morgan talk me into buying a $4,500 shortblock, with a set of $900 forged pistons. And they sold me on the 300 shot idea. I guess they wanted to have the dyno numbers so he could post it on his web site. (Which they did.)

So far, all the money I gave them, I have spent again fixing their mistakes.
enough said.....

Peace!
Bruce


[Modified by bruce1, 5:10 PM 4/22/2004]


[Modified by bruce1, 7:04 PM 4/22/2004]

 

sorry for rambling.............



[Modified by bruce1, 5:10 PM 4/22/2004]

 

Terry, I know both Al and Joe and they were not in any way, shape or form responsible for Mike Morgan's failure, pea poor attitude and dubious ethics.

Lack of business, education, ethical and personal skills are Mike's own fault.

 

I think we forgot about denscor!

He started this thing and hasn't been back!
Hope we answered your question.

Well, it's been fun reminiscing about the bad old days.
We all have our new directions and we are the wiser.
Such is life...good luck to us!
Roy

 

Thanks for reminding us Roy.
Take care all....

 

Yep. It's been..... fun?... Still makes me want to go back to that Ghetto and get some payback....... No.... No... I'm a grown up, and above that..

I'll tell ya though, a learning experience it was. I will never trust anyone's advice on the internet about a shop. I gotta see it all with my own eyes before I put down a non-refundable deposit. I got suckered in by both Cheerleaders, and what I think were other suckers that were posting while their cars were at the shop, to be nice in hopes they got their car back in working order.

Money under the bridge....


[Modified by Tony_C5_04, 7:15 AM 4/23/2004]

 

Not to beat a dead horse, and not to dwell on the subject, but just look at the response to this lone post. Think about it, how many of us are there out there, that were taken advantage of? Looks to be a large number.

Bruce1



[Modified by bruce1, 7:30 AM 4/23/2004]

 

I dunno Bruce, by my count half of the replies are from you.

 

Terry,
When are you going to stop defending MMS. I think the only reason you do it is because you had something to do with the programming Mike used to tune with..Mike should be suing you...maybe all the blown up cars are really your fault.

 

Wow... you are right.... you got me wound up I guess.
I guess I dislike being called a liar.

Bruce


[Modified by bruce1, 12:21 PM 4/23/2004]

 

I have nothing to do with Mike's tuning software, although I wish I did. It's amazing that he was able to figure it all out on his own. More importantly, tuning is a subjective art. What is lean to one person is considered rich to another. Of all the tuning done I know of very few people who have had complaints with being too lean or blowing up, as result of the tuning. It's just that some combos, such as 300 shot direct port systems, or big boost blower cars, are inherently prone to breaking stuff.

PS. Bruce, I didn't call you a liar, just a melodramatic guy caught up in a world you've created in your head.



[Modified by Terry Burger, 2:40 PM 4/23/2004]

 

Terry, you need a cure for what ails you.
I have been in business for 23 years now. Believe me when I inform you that I have better things to do with my time than try to convince you that MMS messed up my car. You may be beyond the point of no return.

You may have caught a rare mms virus or something.
But, a cure is in sight, I have heard that good tour in Iraq or Afganistan can help this.

Honestly, I have friends who are fighting and dying defending our freedom in Iraq and Afganistan right now. They are in my prayers now.

And this subject has lost what little importance it once had.

Support our Troops.
Bruce

 

thanks for all the input I will go with A&A set up!