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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MARK's_C5TT
Colum Lock Bypass has been and still is the solution.
Not necessarily...Not to beat a dead horse, I'll say this one last time. I put a CLB in my 2001 coupe, and it (the CLB) did not hold the lock pin in a completely retracted mode. as I turned the steering wheel, I'd hear a click-click-click as the pin hit the detents. Took the CLB out, no more clicking.


(And, yes, before hundreds of satisfied CLB owners chime in, I know I'm asking for a lock-up, but it just didn't work on my car...)
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by JeffC5
After reading it, it's a new recall to completely remove the locking plate.
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Sounds like they are implementing a "We Give Up" approach so they are removing the plate alltogether.

If they remove the plate, there is no way it can lock. Of course that takes a way the small anti-theft advantage too.
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by C5~Missle
Why? It's not a fix.. It's GM doing the cheapest thing they can do to stop any liability issues.
They still have no fix.. just a hack to disable it completely.

Myself and many have already bypassed the POS. They should have engineered a real fix and kept the feature intact
I agree 100% on the liability issues and is one of the reason why GM sux. but according to one post in this thread the CLB doesnt entirely fix the problem on some early cars? Discuss.
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by RichieRichZ06
NEGATIVE, I had mine done yesterday on my '02 Z06 and no programming was required.
good to know. The servcie director knows my car quite well and they know not to flash my car anyway. Just in case, though, I write DO NOT NOT FLASH PCM on service orders
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MARK's_C5TT
I agree 100% on the liability issues and is one of the reason why GM sux. but according to one post in this thread the CLB doesnt entirely fix the problem on some early cars? Discuss.
From reading countless threads on the CLB here on the forum, it seems that some early C5's 97 and 98's.. the after market CLB's were not working properly when they first came out,,,until this most recent recall though the CLB for us MN6 guys was the best bet...regardless I am not going back to get the latest recall done..and this being that I have a very good dealer and great Vett tech that knows his stuff...I just don't want to go through the hassle.
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by C5-BRUCE

BTW - the Canadian government has not followed suit which is why they are still required in the freezing north
just goes to show you how sincere GM is solving a big problem. Unless GM makes some serious changes in the future, I sadly forsee a day that I may no longer have a Corvette and thats gonna suck.
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 02:06 PM
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My car ('02 MN6) is literally at the Chevy shop right now for column lock problems for the second time (fixed 2 years ago). The advisor tells me that his bulletin, dated yesterday, does NOT mention removing the plate. He said that just removing the plate would still cause the "Service Column Lock" to appear on the DIC and the car will not run. (That is true.) They are just going to replace the actuator.
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 02:10 PM
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Mine's in today too. Got the Service Column Lock indication on my DIC two days ago. Mentioned the new recall to the service desk guy, he looked it up, and "no, don't see it, just the old one". WTF?
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 02:12 PM
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Good post!! I agree totally. Plus the recall at least for us Canadian guys leaves the CL active. They just put in the other locking plate and flash the BCM. It still doesn't resolve the CL going inoperative and throwing codes. And shutting off the gas when it happens. If and when it happens at least you'll be able to steer the slightly rolling car. Big Deal. Mine isn't going in. My .02
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 02:14 PM
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Why not print this out and take it to him...


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1997-2004 CHEVROLET CORVETTE EQUIPPED WITH A MANUAL TRANSMISSION
1997-2000 CHEVROLET CORVETTE EQUIPPED WITH AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
2001-2004 CHEVROLET CORVETTE EQUIPPED WITH AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION – EUROPEAN EXPORT
VEHICLES ONLY


DESCRIPTION:
PRODUCT SAFETY #04006C
DATED: FEBRUARY 8, 2006
IMPORTANT:

THIS BULLETIN CANCELS AND REPLACES BULLETIN 04006B, ISSUED NOVEMBER 2004. THE SERVICE PROCEDURE FOR U.S. VEHICLES EQUIPPED WITH A MANUAL TRANSMISSION HAS BEEN REVISED. PLEASE REVIEW THIS NEW INFORMATION IMMEDIATELY.

ALL COPIES OF BULLETIN 04006B SHOULD BE DESTROYED.

General Motors has decided that a defect, which relates to motor vehicle safety, exists in certain 1997-2004 model year Chevrolet Corvette vehicles. When you remove the ignition key, the electronic column lock (ECL) system prevents turning of the steering wheel. When the vehicle is started, it unlocks the steering. Two conditions can prevent steering while the vehicle is moving:

1. The vehicle is designed so that if the column fails to unlock when the vehicle is started, the fuel supply will be shut off if the driver tries to move the vehicle. If voltage at the powertrain control module is low or interrupted, however, the fuel shut off may not occur and the vehicle can be accelerated while the steering is locked.
2. During quick cranks, the ECL lock pin may not withdraw fully and, in vehicles where there is abnormally low clearance to the lock plate, there may be contact between the pin and lock plate. This can cause a noise or ratcheting when the steering wheel is turned or, if there is insufficient clearance, the steering wheel cannot be turned.

If one of these conditions occurs, a crash could occur without warning.


CORRECTION:
Dealers are to remove the column lock plate on U.S. and Canadian vehicles equipped with an automatic transmission and U.S. vehicles equipped with a manual transmission. After the service correction, the steering column will no longer lock when the key is removed.

On Canadian and export vehicles equipped with a manual transmission, and export vehicles equipped with an automatic transmission, Dealers are to 1) reprogram the PCM, and 2) verify there is adequate lock plate clearance and, if necessary, replace the lock plate. After the service correction, the steering column will continue to lock when the key is removed.

Refer to the Product Safety Bulletin #04006C for further information.


EFFECTIVE DATE:
Owner mailing is scheduled to begin February 15, 2006.


GENERAL INFORMATION:
Parts required to complete this recall are to be obtained from General Motors Service Parts Operations (GMSPO). Please refer to your "involved vehicles listing" before ordering parts. Normal orders should be placed on a DRO – Daily Replenishment Order. In an emergency situation, parts should be ordered on a CSO – Customer Special Order.

The Parts list follows:


Part Number Description Quantity/Vehicle
89023816 Harness Kit, Strg Whl Theft Dtrnt Lk Shorting (US manuals and all automatics except export vehicles) 1
88952428 Wire Kit, Strg Whl Theft Dtrnt Lk (1998-2000 Canadian and export manuals & export automatics) 1 (If Req'd)
26056108 Nut, Strg Whl 1 (If Req'd)
26094767 Plate, Strg Shf Lk (Canadian manuals) 1 (If Req'd)
88964588 Plate, Strg Shf Lk (Export vehicles) 1 (If Req'd)
05694191 Ring, Strg Shf Lk Plt Ret 1 (If
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 02:23 PM
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Well, just called and they found the new recall notice!
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 123Gone
My car ('02 MN6) is literally at the Chevy shop right now for column lock problems for the second time (fixed 2 years ago). The advisor tells me that his bulletin, dated yesterday, does NOT mention removing the plate. He said that just removing the plate would still cause the "Service Column Lock" to appear on the DIC and the car will not run. (That is true.) They are just going to replace the actuator.
Don't let them touch the car until they read the new bulletin! There is no need to replace the actuator is there is nothing to actuate! The locking plate will be removed! A "shorting harness" will be installed preventing the DIC display. Can't blame the dealer as this is really NEW, but they need to read their mail!
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 02:47 PM
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when this all started I called the dealer, nope no recall, I waited about two more months, called again, hope no recall, I finally ordered and installed the CLB, two weeks later and about every 30 days since I get a recall call notice, bottom line, if ya wait loooooooooong enough most customers will take care of the problem themselves, saving us (GM) from having to do anything. My car is a 2000, & NEVER has been back to the dealer, and that is the way I hope I can keep it. Recall, to little too late. And they wonder why sales are off.
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by C5-BRUCE
I've seen a couple of posts about this and I'm confused. When I got the original recall notive in 2004, it included a form to submit incurred costs by owners who had lock-ups. They even reimbursed for towing. Am I dreaming here?

When I got my recall notice there was no form and my column locked right when I got the notice. If you or someone else has a form I know i would like to have a copy, as my column locked out of town so I have towing and hotel expenses.
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 02:54 PM
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The guy starts to read the notice to me on the phone, I've got the info from this thread on my screen. Everything is the same until he gets to here:

Dealers are to remove the column lock plate on U.S. and Canadian vehicles equipped with an automatic transmission and U.S. vehicles equipped with a manual transmission. After the service correction, the steering column will no longer lock when the key is removed.

On Canadian and export vehicles equipped with a manual transmission, and export vehicles equipped with an automatic transmission, Dealers are to 1) reprogram the PCM, and 2) verify there is adequate lock plate clearance and, if necessary, replace the lock plate. After the service correction, the steering column will continue to lock when the key is removed.


Only the second paragraph is on his bulletin. He also tells me that since mine was fixed previously, they will not be flashing the PCM. (That's good, or I would have to make another trip to LG Motorsports for a download.)
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 02:58 PM
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I wonder if my 1999, which is out of warranty, were to lock tomorrow if GM would reimburse for Towing?
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 123Gone
The guy starts to read the notice to me on the phone, I've got the info from this thread on my screen. Everything is the same until he gets to here:

Dealers are to remove the column lock plate on U.S. and Canadian vehicles equipped with an automatic transmission and U.S. vehicles equipped with a manual transmission. After the service correction, the steering column will no longer lock when the key is removed.

On Canadian and export vehicles equipped with a manual transmission, and export vehicles equipped with an automatic transmission, Dealers are to 1) reprogram the PCM, and 2) verify there is adequate lock plate clearance and, if necessary, replace the lock plate. After the service correction, the steering column will continue to lock when the key is removed.


Only the second paragraph is on his bulletin. He also tells me that since mine was fixed previously, they will not be flashing the PCM. (That's good, or I would have to make another trip to LG Motorsports for a download.)
I've just read on another forum that there is a major correction to this recall. If you can, wait for a day or so for this to get cleared up before taking any action.
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Originally Posted by jackj
when this all started I called the dealer, nope no recall, I waited about two more months, called again, hope no recall, I finally ordered and installed the CLB, two weeks later and about every 30 days since I get a recall call notice, bottom line, if ya wait loooooooooong enough most customers will take care of the problem themselves, saving us (GM) from having to do anything. My car is a 2000, & NEVER has been back to the dealer, and that is the way I hope I can keep it. Recall, to little too late. And they wonder why sales are off.


I walked in your shoes and now that I hve the CLB, my car is not going back to the dealer!
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Glennm27
I put my CLB in myself.....

Took 25 minutes
.......but it took me 3 hours.
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by vettecop1125
.......but it took me 3 hours.
You're supposed to use two hands while you work on your car. Bet you could have shaved at least two hours off that time if you had put the donut down.

I agree with the CLB.
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