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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 07:14 PM
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When I put mine it, I took the knee bolster and everything off like the instructions said. After I finished, the though crossed my mind that I may have been able to reach it from the bottom without doing all that. Anybody do it that way?
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Nithros
When I put mine it, I took the knee bolster and everything off like the instructions said. After I finished, the though crossed my mind that I may have been able to reach it from the bottom without doing all that. Anybody do it that way?
I put one in myself and took out the bolster as advertised. I don't think you can bend your wrist around inside there without removing the parts. It took me the better part of an hour. Made sure I was doing it right the first time. Have had no problems since. Also get a recall postcard from GM about every 6-8 months. I save them in a file and someday will make ramps out of them so I don't have to go to the dealer.
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by sd7ss
I've just read on another forum that there is a major correction to this recall. If you can, wait for a day or so for this to get cleared up before taking any action.
I found the Recall Update!!!

Updated recall info...

Good luck all...



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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by yoman
I found the Recall Update!!!

Updated recall info...

Good luck all...



Uhhhhh...this is the same "new" recall we have been discussing here.
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by WWK888
Uhhhhh...this is the same "new" recall we have been discussing here.
It now says "CORRECTION:"

I thought I didn't see this before... Maybe i'm wrong..

Me


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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by yoman
It now says "CORRECTION:"

I thought I didn't see this before... Maybe i'm wrong..

Me


Just to clarify...there was a recall in Nov 2004. Now GM released another recall Feb 8th 2006 to correct the 2004 one. Acoording to sd7ss, there is another correction for the Feb 8th recall.

There it is, clear as mud...
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by WWK888
Just to clarify...there was a recall in Nov 2004. Now GM released another recall Feb 8th 2006 to correct the 2004 one. Acoording to sd7ss, there is another correction for the Feb 8th recall.

There it is, clear as mud...
And we all know how clear mud is!!!

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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 08:30 PM
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Default Column Lock Recall 04006C Misinformation

To clear up some miss information there was a misprint in one of the notices sent out to the dealers this week..I spent alot of time this afternoon trying to get it clarified from GM..hopefully will know more in the AM

This is what our service information says....

Correction
Dealers are to remove the column lock plate on U.S. and Canadian vehicles equipped with an automatic transmission. After the service correction, the steering column will no longer lock when the key is removed.

On vehicles equipped with a manual transmission, and export vehicles equipped with an automatic transmission, dealers are to 1) reprogram the PCM, and 2) verify there is adequate lock plate clearance and, if necessary, replace the lock plate. After the service correction, the steering column will continue to lock when the key is removed.


This is what the PDF says...

CORRECTION
Dealers are to remove the column lock plate on U.S. and Canadian vehicles equipped with
an automatic transmission and U.S. vehicles equipped with a manual transmission. After
the service correction, the steering column will no longer lock when the key is removed.
On Canadian and export vehicles equipped with a manual transmission, and export
vehicles equipped with an automatic transmission, dealers are to 1) reprogram the PCM,
and 2) verify there is adequate lock plate clearance and, if necessary, replace the lock
plate. After the service correction, the steering column will continue to lock when the key is
removed.

Clearly 2 different procedures when dealing with a manual equipped vehicle.

Hopefully it will be resolved soon..sorry guys..
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bowtiebandit
On vehicles equipped with a manual transmission, and export vehicles equipped with an automatic transmission, dealers are to 1) reprogram the PCM, and 2) verify there is adequate lock plate clearance and, if necessary, replace the lock plate. After the service correction, the steering column will continue to lock when the key is removed.
This appears to be the same as the original recall for manual transmissions. So what is the change?

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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 09:14 PM
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So in other words GM is telling Canadien C5 owners to F off. This isnt right!
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 09:36 PM
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Makes a big difference in which version is right. Will be looking for the answer.
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 09:47 PM
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Another reason to not let a dealership do this to my car.

Flat rate mechanics are busy making money, not figuring out service bulletins.

YMMV
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 09:50 PM
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Now both Auto and manuals in USA will have the lock plate removed when the recall is performed.



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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 10:13 PM
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I noticed that the correction of yesterday's recall no longer includes the replacement plate for the MN6 in the U.S.

Does that mean they won't change the locking plate in MN6's?

Are they simply installing their version of the CLB?

My MN6 is an '02 and has the CLB but has not had the previous "reflash" recall done on it.

If the new recall does in fact remove and replace the old locking plate I will have the new recall done. Otherwise I think I will just pass on it like I did on the last recall.
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Nithros
When I put mine it, I took the knee bolster and everything off like the instructions said. After I finished, the though crossed my mind that I may have been able to reach it from the bottom without doing all that. Anybody do it that way?
I took the knee bolster out. Would have been about an hour however I found that someone had put in (and taken back out) a stereo system, amp or something similar and left some pretty crappy, unsafe wiring behind. Took me an extra hour to clean all of that up. Bolster was also missing a couple of screws. Glad I took the time - it's better now than it ever was plus I've got the CLB.
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by FLACHUSNRET
I noticed that the correction of yesterday's recall no longer includes the replacement plate for the MN6 in the U.S.

Does that mean they won't change the locking plate in MN6's?

Are they simply installing their version of the CLB?

My MN6 is an '02 and has the CLB but has not had the previous "reflash" recall done on it.

If the new recall does in fact remove and replace the old locking plate I will have the new recall done. Otherwise I think I will just pass on it like I did on the last recall.
They are removing the locking mechanism, not replacing it.
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 11:03 PM
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How is GM getting by the Federal law requiring all 1968 and newer cars to have locking steering and or locking automatic transmission shifters?

I, for one, sent an e-mail to the NTSB more than once requesting that they grant GM a waiver of this requirement so GM could fix the more than 50,000 MN6 timebombs running up and down U.S. highways with steering that might lock up at any time.

Unless the NTSB gave GM a waiver, I don't know how they can legally remove the locking plates on our MN6 cars. Don't get me wrong. I am not upset but I don't plan to rush in to get the recall done until the techs get plenty of practice on other people's cars.
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 11:14 PM
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Gees...here we go again. When will GM get it right?
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by mrC5er
Part Number Description Quantity/Vehicle
89023816 Harness Kit, Strg Whl Theft Dtrnt Lk Shorting (US manuals and all automatics except export vehicles) 1


Does anybody understand why they would need to install a wire harness if they remove the lock plate? Seems to me that without the plate, who cares if the actuator motor still cycles. Sounds like they're removing the plate and installing an "OEM" column lock bypass at the same time.
I imagine that if the motor fails, even if the locking plate is removed, the computer can sense that the motor has failed and can shut off the fuel. Thus even though the locking plate is gone you still may not be able to drive the car even though the wheel is not locked. This is also why you cannot simply pull the power connection from the motor yourself to disable the column lock. The computer will think that the motor has failed. The extra wiring harness that GM installs must do something like what the after-market CLB modules do.

This is what the aftermarket CLB module does. You disconnect the power from the motor but the CLB module simulates the motor load and fools the computer into thinking that the motor is working normally.

Given all of this, it seems like GM could have done this simpler by doing the same thing that the after-market CLB modules do. They could then just leave the locking plate in place.

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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by bierbelly
So, I ordered my CLB today for nothing? Great.
I am going to stick with my after-market CLB. It works fine. I do not want the dealer touching my car unless absolutely necessary. If my after-market CLB ever fails then I may take mine in to get the recall work done.
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