speed ticket
Racer
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The Jerkweed in the Mercedes
Originally Posted by hotwheels57
You do the crime, you do the time. Accept the consequences of your actions.
If your driving record doesn't reflect similar/multiple past violations you might "get a deal". You can approach the prosecuting attorney before your court date and ask for consideration if your past driving record is relatively clean. Doing so reduces court costs and case loads.
Do not approach the officers to "help you out"...in many jurisdictions, that might be considered witness tampering.
A deal in your case might include (but not limited to) a fine, 2-3 points, mandatory traffic survival school, unsupervised probation, a restricted or suspended license and of coarse insurance increases.
If your driving record reflects a prior bad driving record, it might be a very high fine, additional points for the criminal offense, a revoked drivers license, jail, supervised probation, suspension of your vehicle registration and insurance increases.
If you have no defense for your actions, hire a lawyer...they love these cases. They pay for their Mercedes and swimming pools with the thousands of dollars they charge traffic case defendents. I'm not slamming attorneys, it's a fact. You will pay lots of money for professional representation with no guarantees. If a lawyer tells you he guarantees you'll walk with only a fine, get it in writing! He can appeal any decision by the court, but that costs more money.
I know how I'd defend myself, but I won't tell you w/o a $2500.00 non refundable retainer fee (I'm not a lawyer btw) and $350.00/hr court time, plus expenses for research, expert witnesses, etc
If your driving record doesn't reflect similar/multiple past violations you might "get a deal". You can approach the prosecuting attorney before your court date and ask for consideration if your past driving record is relatively clean. Doing so reduces court costs and case loads.
Do not approach the officers to "help you out"...in many jurisdictions, that might be considered witness tampering.
A deal in your case might include (but not limited to) a fine, 2-3 points, mandatory traffic survival school, unsupervised probation, a restricted or suspended license and of coarse insurance increases.
If your driving record reflects a prior bad driving record, it might be a very high fine, additional points for the criminal offense, a revoked drivers license, jail, supervised probation, suspension of your vehicle registration and insurance increases.
If you have no defense for your actions, hire a lawyer...they love these cases. They pay for their Mercedes and swimming pools with the thousands of dollars they charge traffic case defendents. I'm not slamming attorneys, it's a fact. You will pay lots of money for professional representation with no guarantees. If a lawyer tells you he guarantees you'll walk with only a fine, get it in writing! He can appeal any decision by the court, but that costs more money.
I know how I'd defend myself, but I won't tell you w/o a $2500.00 non refundable retainer fee (I'm not a lawyer btw) and $350.00/hr court time, plus expenses for research, expert witnesses, etc
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From: Virginia Beach Va
Originally Posted by Cali17
someone tell me something good... even if you have to lie !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: HOW FAST WAS I GOING OFFICER? Los Angeles Hating GM Dealership Service Dept.'s Since Sept. 2004
St. Jude Donor '04-'05-'06-'07
Originally Posted by Cali17
someone tell me something good... even if you have to lie !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
....this is all a dream....
..... this is all a dream....
Instructor
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From: Goodyear AZ
I received a citation today (in Cali on business), and am going to fight through TBD. I came across this sight in my limited searching, and it might help you a bit. www.ticketassassin.com
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From: Not on either liberal coast.
Originally Posted by vettephysician
Was probably an attorney. Figures that scumbag would get away. Oh well, best of luck with your case. Normally, I'd advise getting a V1, but since it was a "bear in the air," no detector would have been helpful. Be careful out there...the taxmen are always waiting.
Like many other members on this board our work required us to interface with lawyers on a daily basis. We know their tricks, thought processes and we know the law. I've seen to many citizens pay a lawyer hundreds or thousands of dollars thinking they were going to be completely forgiven for their sins. The truth is in many situations a citizen can get the same results w/o a lawyer if they've prepared themselves for the court process.
and hurry!
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From: Fort Worth TX
St. Jude Donor '15
Originally Posted by hotwheels57
Aircraft typically use VASCAR to measure the time it took your vehicle to travel a known distance marked on the highway. It's a simple math calculation. It's an average speed over the entire distance measured, not peak speed like RADAR or LASER. It makes it difficult to argue you were passing someone. The longer the distance measured, the more accurate the device. It's the same used in patrol cars. It's extremely accurate and frequently calibrated, both with internal checks and between known distances on the highway.
The observer officer that measured the speed does not need to be the officer that stopped you. The observer gives a description of the vehicle and stays with the vehicle until the ground officers make the stop, confirming the correct vehicle. All officers involved in your stop will be subpoenaed to court should you plead not guilty.
If your actual speed was 130mph and you were written for "only" 110mph, you should consider yourself very lucky. That's usually an offense that results in immediate jail and vehicle impound. The actual speed measured will also be admissible in court and could be considered by the judge in sentencing.
If you decide to plead not guilty, have a sound defense (?) and be well prepared. Do not perjure your testimony as suggested. Most traffic enforcement officers take copious notes. The multiple officers (all 3) who stopped you will most likely vividly recall everything you said and did because of your speed and car.
The observer officer that measured the speed does not need to be the officer that stopped you. The observer gives a description of the vehicle and stays with the vehicle until the ground officers make the stop, confirming the correct vehicle. All officers involved in your stop will be subpoenaed to court should you plead not guilty.
If your actual speed was 130mph and you were written for "only" 110mph, you should consider yourself very lucky. That's usually an offense that results in immediate jail and vehicle impound. The actual speed measured will also be admissible in court and could be considered by the judge in sentencing.
If you decide to plead not guilty, have a sound defense (?) and be well prepared. Do not perjure your testimony as suggested. Most traffic enforcement officers take copious notes. The multiple officers (all 3) who stopped you will most likely vividly recall everything you said and did because of your speed and car.
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From: East Peoria Illinois
Originally Posted by b_pappy
Lot's of unknowns here, but over 100 is big time speeding. I don't know why you want trail by written declaration, unless you're afraid they might lock you up. That's serious speeding and I suggest you read the vehicle code on the section they cited you and then decide what you want to do. You definitely should read some books on defending yourself, review the ticket for accuracy and plan your strategy carefully, maybe hire a lawyer, or just suck it and take the consequences, which will cost dearly in time and finances and increased insurance.
Good luck.
Bruce
Good luck.
Bruce
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From: Follansbee West Va
Originally Posted by Cali17
someone tell me something good... even if you have to lie !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: Bellevue WA
what am I missing in this thread? The whole focus seems to be how to fight/avoid/negotiate what sounds like a real, factual serious infraction of the law. The last thing any of us need on the freeways is some hoon in a fast car screaming down the road at 100+! This is no better then the kids on crotch rockets doing the same. This endangers everyone on the road. Why has no one said "save it for the track??" I'm sure my comments will generate a whole bunch of "what a wus" type replies..I'm ok with driving 10-15 over the limit..but 100+ (sounds more like 130+)...just plain dumb. I say pay the price before an innocent bystander dies.
Drifting
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From: the West is the best
Cali17:
Actually I think you were lucky that you only received the speeding ticket. By all rights, with a Mercedes going with you at same or greater speed, you could have been truly nailed with an "exhibition of speed or performance " (racing) ticket. Regardless if you were or weren't ,the odds of legitimate purposes of two cars clocking that high a rate of speed on the highway at close juxtaposition and not be racing would be minimal.
That said, get an attorney and hope for the best. Some people think that paying your way out of a mess somehow get's you off. Then there are people so cheap they would rather not pay a $25 fine and choose instead a night in jail. Money has a punitive value and so does jail time.
Actually I think you were lucky that you only received the speeding ticket. By all rights, with a Mercedes going with you at same or greater speed, you could have been truly nailed with an "exhibition of speed or performance " (racing) ticket. Regardless if you were or weren't ,the odds of legitimate purposes of two cars clocking that high a rate of speed on the highway at close juxtaposition and not be racing would be minimal.
That said, get an attorney and hope for the best. Some people think that paying your way out of a mess somehow get's you off. Then there are people so cheap they would rather not pay a $25 fine and choose instead a night in jail. Money has a punitive value and so does jail time.
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From: Not on either liberal coast.
what am I missing in this thread? The whole focus seems to be how to fight/avoid/negotiate what sounds like a real, factual serious infraction of the law. The last thing any of us need on the freeways is some hoon in a fast car screaming down the road at 100+! This is no better then the kids on crotch rockets doing the same. This endangers everyone on the road. Why has no one said "save it for the track??" I'm sure my comments will generate a whole bunch of "what a wus" type replies..I'm ok with driving 10-15 over the limit..but 100+ (sounds more like 130+)...just plain dumb. I say pay the price before an innocent bystander dies.
It's pretty obvious some people believe if you have enough money and lawyers, you will not be held accountable for your actions.
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Originally Posted by Alegre323
about a year ago, i got a speeding ticket, clocked doing 105 MPH on the 105 freeway, how damn ironic, it said mandatory court appearence, what happens in LA is that youll get 2 points taken off your license, and a hefty fine, i paid $418 for that, but if you plead not guilty, you can get a trial, but takes for ever, when doomsaday comes, ask how much the bail (fine) is, if its under 500, its worth it. best of luck bro. i know how you feel.also in your defense, say you were arguing with the cop, and that you and him were @ eachothers throats, and that you were going 90, and since he disliked you, added 100+ MPH...lol it worked for me
Unless its on video, then he gets hammered for lying his azz off, which he would deserve.
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From: Refineryville Texas
Originally Posted by YLWFVR
what am I missing in this thread? The whole focus seems to be how to fight/avoid/negotiate what sounds like a real, factual serious infraction of the law. The last thing any of us need on the freeways is some hoon in a fast car screaming down the road at 100+! This is no better then the kids on crotch rockets doing the same. This endangers everyone on the road. Why has no one said "save it for the track??" I'm sure my comments will generate a whole bunch of "what a wus" type replies..I'm ok with driving 10-15 over the limit..but 100+ (sounds more like 130+)...just plain dumb. I say pay the price before an innocent bystander dies.
Recently at a friends 20th anniversary of his legal practice , I asked him what he had learned in 20 years. His reply "you can buy as much justice as you can afford, this is America"
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From: West Hollywood California ! Now Miami, Florida
ttt
"The guy asked for help,so some people are trying to help him...
Recently at a friends 20th anniversary of his legal practice , I asked him what he had learned in 20 years. His reply "you can buy as much justice as you can afford, this is America"
THANK YOU FOR MAKING MY POINT.
but alas this is America and everyone can speak there minds and to all those that are helping me... i cant thank you enough !!!
and to those that are not... well here is the story i am not a menace . i am mature, you dont buy at vette all by yourself at 23 if your not, i have a prefect driving record prior to this, i dont street race, never have..nor will i ever, This is simply one big mistake, i was not in any way racing the mercedez next to me, and i did not even realize i was maybe speeding, the 15 to las vegas is an extremely long stretch of road mostly in the desert. I got tagged and all i am trying to do is control the loads of damage that is going to come my way.
so once again thanks to all those that are helping !!
peace !
Recently at a friends 20th anniversary of his legal practice , I asked him what he had learned in 20 years. His reply "you can buy as much justice as you can afford, this is America"
THANK YOU FOR MAKING MY POINT.
but alas this is America and everyone can speak there minds and to all those that are helping me... i cant thank you enough !!!
and to those that are not... well here is the story i am not a menace . i am mature, you dont buy at vette all by yourself at 23 if your not, i have a prefect driving record prior to this, i dont street race, never have..nor will i ever, This is simply one big mistake, i was not in any way racing the mercedez next to me, and i did not even realize i was maybe speeding, the 15 to las vegas is an extremely long stretch of road mostly in the desert. I got tagged and all i am trying to do is control the loads of damage that is going to come my way.
so once again thanks to all those that are helping !!
peace !